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    RN flag signals

    dickrd replied to thekz's topic in WWII

    Sorry, I don't have copies of the pages of the Fleet Signal Book that would enable me to make up complex signals such as might be made at sea. I do however have copies of the the pages that show the meanings of individual flags. This one might be appropriate: Berwick would have flown it when catapulting off or embarking her aircraft. Rather pleasingly we still use it today:
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    RN flag signals

    dickrd replied to thekz's topic in WWII

    By the rules the position of white ensign(s) depends on whether the ship was in harbour/underway in piloted waters or at sea or in action (battle). Which are you aiming for? Potential signal hoists will then follow from the choice you make above, but in the case of Berwick would have been from the foremast.
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    That helps greatly Ian, thank you! From what can be seen it appears that the portside remained the same: (kz, I think you mean Puget Sound, Bremerton, USA not Phuket, Thailand)
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    Although superficially similar, there were significant differences between the 1940 pattern and the 1942 pattern on the starboard side. I don't have a clear enough image of Warspite's port side in late 1940 to say if this was also true for the port side.
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    There is AWM film dated 29 Sept 1940 of Warspite from HMAS Stuart showing Warspite in this patterned scheme at that time. There is an AWM photo dated 31 July 1940 taken from HMAS Sydney showing Warspite not in the patterned scheme (still in overall 507C). So she doubtless repainted into the pattern during August 1940 like most of the rest of the Med Fleet.
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    That looks in photos like it was a green rather than grey.
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    I see where you are coming from but: Unfortunately the 1940-41 edition of the Rate Book shows that Moravia had started supplying their protective in grey also by that time ie since the previous surviving Rate Book which is the 1937-38 edition (at which time they were supplying protective in red only). The batch of protective used on Ark Royal at her October 1940 docking was manufactured 2.9.40 and so, yes, could have been red but equally by then it could have been grey - and one wonders if they would not have used the latest spec on Ark Royal?
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    I very much hoped you had not got to that stage! Given what we see on the various builders models with grey bottoms, and the odd contemporary colour image, I suspect that all the makers' grey anti fouling paints were a neutral grey, ie without the blue tint of Home Fleet grey. Given what we see on the various builders models with grey bottoms, and the odd contemporary colour image, I suspect that the tones varied a bit between makers. I think that you are going to have to form a judgment based on the relative tone of the Home Fleet grey above the boot toppi
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    Well, we now know the answer. Ark Royal was a Moravia ship for her ship's bottom paints, both for the protective and for the all-important outermost anti-fouling coatings. Moravia's anti-fouling only came in grey or black. In the in-service dry dock and sinking photos of Ark Royal the bottom is clearly lighter than the (black) boot topping. The D495s report on her bottom treatments with Moravia as follows: Jan 1937- protective applied April 1937 - launched in this with no anti-fouling coat April/May 1938 - docked and re-coated in protective and anti-fouling June
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    May/June 1942 Rosyth refit for the adoption of the second disruptive scheme fits everything I have. I wish we knew the answer to your second question!
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    To return to the serious original question. As Jamie says, the colours in the image found by Chewbacca are way off. Raven is a bit muddled. The design of the scheme as he has drawn it in WP Vol 4, p.6 was applied to Furious in 1942 not 1943. The earliest dated photos I have of Furious in this scheme are July 1942. Colours G5, B15, B30 and B55 were not introduced until May 1943 and so are impossible. The four colours in 1942 would have been from the MS&B series. My guess would be: MS1/B5/B6 or MS4 (impossible to tell apart in B&W photos) or perhaps e
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    According to one individual the flight deck colours in 1943 were "G45 light olive, B30 dark olive and MS4a Home Fleet grey" - I kid you not!
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    Given the angular style/shapes I wonder if the inspiration is more the Swedish?
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    Bob, In my version of this photo there seems to be a horizontal demarcation within this slightly darker area, and the lower aft edge of it fades out to match the light toned paint. I therefore don't think that this a deliberate extra camouflage panel but guess it is either a touch up mismatch or mixing imperfection in that area of paint or perhaps some water wetting from washing down the deck above? You do get these sort of mismatches when touching up the paintwork with fresh paint....
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