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  1. I am inclined to believe the late March 1943 date of the IWM photos A 15577 & A15578 of this minesweeper. HMS Mahratta (A15579) is in the series of photos (A15577- A15583) taken on the Clyde at Greenock that day by Beadell and Mahratta was newly completed at Greenock at that time. ORP Burza's movements (in the background of A15577) would be another point of reference. At that time only four Algerines were in Home Waters: Fantome, Fly, Hound, and Hydra. Small differences in structural details rule out Fly, Hound and Hydra. So by this process of elimination we are left with Fanto
  2. For all the goods reasons you list and more I think that the choice for the photo at your link is between Cairo and Calcutta. Of these two I think it is Calcutta. There were minor structural differences between Cairo and Calcutta particularly at A. the profile at the forward end of B gun platform, horizontal on Cairo (the old blast screen having been largely cut away) v upward sloped on Calcutta (the old blast screen still fitted) and at B. with the two openings on Calcutta but solid on Cairo. Here is a crop from a better quality version of the photo of the myster
  3. Rob, There are other photos of Calcutta in this scheme. Here are two of them which should help you get the pattern correct: It looks like straight lines to me. Raven does indeed not have it quite right and, as you can see, despite first appearances it was was not a mirror image port/starboard. Best wishes!
  4. Just caught up with this news. Best wishes for a full recovery.
  5. Geoffrey Delves Broughton has now uploaded all of his father's photos properly scanned. The full set includes one or two extra ones of Ark Royal amongst them plus some other vintage aviation images from the interwar era.
  6. Sorry Rob but sadly I have no photos of Cumberland to either confirm or disprove overall 507C during December 1939. According to things written at the time, as a cruiser on a foreign station, she should have been so. My feeling is that the dark hull/light upperworks with patterned hangar scheme would likely have been a 1940 applied one. Late 1939 is to my mind too early for this sort of scheme, especially given that Cumberland in December 1939 was likely still wearing whatever she was wearing when she departed the UK on 31st August. The only question in my mind is how
  7. Delighted that you found something useful in them. You probably noticed that Geoffrey says he is going to have them properly scanned next week so maybe even more detail will be visible when he reposts them.
  8. Crispin, I don't know if you are a Facebook user, but if you are you might like to have a look at the "Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy" group. In a series of posts someone called Geoffrey Delves Broughton has shared the contents of his father's (Lt Cdr Peter DB's) photograph album including many photos of Ark Royal in 1939. I suspect that they will tell you nothing you did not already know but 80 or so nice images mainly of the FAA at work and play.
  9. I agree Jamie. Something tells me this is actually much earlier in 1943 and during the era of MS&B paints. The portside triptych is typical of the sort of set taken at the end of a major refit. I'd like to see her detailed movements for 1943 (not those at naval-history.net even though they would seem to lend credence to my suspicion), Best wishes, Richard
  10. On this occasion I agree with Raven. There is a September 1941 aerial observation report of Badsworth and Lamerton in this scheme describing it as “white with black-brown disruptions”. There is piece of war art showing Lamerton in this scheme indicating a very green middle colour (see attached). In practice I suspect that this was in reality the distinctly (olive) green grey MS3 on Lamerton rather than the much lighter (pepperminty) Western Approaches Light Green, and hence this was also the middle tone paint on Badsworth, so I have no qualms about the IBG box art representation of this colour
  11. Rob, That photo of Avon Vale (IWM FL1281) is dated 19 May 1944 so well past there era of MS&B paints and into the era of the May 1943 plus B&G series. The design is illustrated in CB3098R of 1943:
  12. and a couple showing how the searchlight platform was railings covered in canvas (Garland)
  13. Thanks Rob, A slightly different way to how I used to do it. Lets see if it works for me....success. OK Two of Garland's bridge side/top.
  14. Rob, I am certain that it is shadow from the curved lip top of the steelwork on the bridge and signal deck that is giving you the dark impression in those areas, and that the searchlight platform 'sides' had a round metal railing top. I have a number of close ups that show no wooden topping. Nor do the As Fitteds for Glowworm. For some reason I seem to be unable link to my photos via Flickr in the way I used to be able to a few months back. Can anyone explain what might be the problem? Doubtless some setting I have inadvertently activated on my PC!
  15. Rob, Please can you link to such a photo. None that I have show this (quite the reverse).
  16. Only one of the 17 suppliers of Admiralty quality anti-fouling paints supplied in green so it is the least likely colour. In the absence of D495 info I would default to red given where and when Ark Royal was built.
  17. I think Ough was trying to cover a lot of ground and probably did make the odd error here and there. For example he says “In destroyers prior to the Tribal Class ‘Corticene’ was used instead of ‘Semtex’." This is untrue. The preceding I class were the first whole destroyer Class to use ‘Semtex’ and prior to that it was trialled on Grenville. It was only specified for the Tribals because it had been found satisfactory on the I Class. He would not have had the sort of access to official documents and photos that we now have. I like that image of Piorun’s deck. It does indeed look ve
  18. Ah, now we are into the question of how dark each of us thinks was the tone of dry asphalt back then! In the various photos of the Barfleur model that I can access, the tone of the composition-covered areas of the decks looks the sort of medium/semi-dark tone that I would expect. It is the painted areas of the deck, especially forward of the forecastle breakwater, that have flipped from the very dark tone I think you may be thinking of as "normal" to a light tone, lighter than the medium/semi-dark tone of the composition areas (and lighter than I think of the tone of dry asphalt as having been
  19. I confess that I am a bit puzzled by what Ough wrote. He was writing 15 or so years after WW2 and I have a niggling suspicion he may have been influenced by what he saw of RN practice at the time he wrote. I’d be interested to know what the non-slip surface used on RN decks in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s was. It may well have been referred to as Semtex, a bit like every vacuum cleaner was called a Hoover. It may even have been be a Dunlop Semtex product, but I have a genuine sample of whatever it was and it does not have the 3/16 inch thickness of the WW2 era latex compound SX 135. It is
  20. (The order for pre-war destroyers’ Corticene to be replaced with Semtex as they came in for repairs and refits was dated 8th February 1940.)
  21. Responding to your question over on the Porchester Castle thread re your ship's bottom. I have not (yet) found any AFO specifically adding the River Class ships to the list given in that 1941 AFO. But it dealt in types ie corvettes not Classes. You appear to be building Jed as she was in December 1942? The River Class were originally officially designated "twin screw corvettes" and were not officially re-classified as "frigates" until 25 February 1943. However it could be that for painting purposes they continued to be treated as per corvettes after that. I have very few photos showing the bo
  22. beefy66, (As noted above, it has to be B55 not WALB for a British new-build completed 8 November 1943.) One other thing re the paint colours for you to consider is the treatment of the bottom of the ship in your full hull model. If you have read my interim paper on ships' bottoms hosted by Jamie on his Sovereign Hobbies site at his Colour Schemes/Royal Navy Documents and Publications page you will have seen that in December 1941 boot-topping composition on minesweepers, corvettes, boom vessels, trawlers, gunboats, water vessels, salvage vessels, tank assault vessels, t
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