Stéphane Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Hello everybody, Here is the return of an long time shelve queen, namely the Tamiya, 1/32 F-4J. She was my first 1/32 build ever and began her life in the markings of a US MArines bird, with blue nose and tail in ....1999. In 2003, I decided to strip paint and initially scheduled a Ferris scheme. But then decided to go for a RAF machine. Some 10 years ago I began spraying a coat of zinc chromate yellow ... and put her back on the shelve of doom. 7 years ago, I have the tail painted black and the exhaust area reworked. And here she is, well advanced, light aircraft grey undersides, check, Medium sea grey upper wing, check, drop tanks med seagrey/lighaircraft grey, check. Here are some pics, I hope you'll enjoy. Clours are gunze acryls. Hébergeur d'images 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hello all, The day's work, on with the Barley grey. My intention is to have her fitted with the centerline gun pod. I've been reading the F-4J topic in the Cold War section and saw that some plane had the nose cone overpainted with the standard colour for (e.g. not the US colour), but what is the BS name of this colour ? Thanks in advance for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Mmmhhh, and which squadron do you plan to celebrate? (Careful, there's a trap... ) Jokes appart, was it an AM conversion for an F-4J (UK), or scratchbuild all the way? By the way, any other mods than the ECM gear on top of the fin? Edited November 21, 2016 by Antoine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Quote The radomes were finished in Barley Grey, later known as Camouflage Grey, both to BS.4800. The original American-applied finish was known as Flint Gray, which may not be its official designation. The F-4J(UK) fleet never received the fin-top RWR installation as fitted to the F-4K and F-4M (FG. 1 and FGR. 2) fleet in the squared-off fairings. The 'J(UK) fleet had their RWR kit in small fairings above the intakes and on the fin tip trailing edge in a small bullet fairing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hi Stever, Thanks for that, I'll double check the RWR fairing of the fin tip, it's currently under masking tape .... I'm lost, the fuselage and outer wings panels are in Barley grey, and it seemed to me the nose cone was of a different hue ? Indeed, I'll dig a bit more in the piccies and make a special mix for it. @Antoine no scratch here, you know I'm a total dummy when it's coming to scracth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hi Stephane, The colour depends on which airframe is being modeled and at which stage in its life. The original colours were "nearest equivalents" to the BS381C colour applied in America over a strong yellow primer which gave the Flint Gray/Barley Grey in partcular a distinctly "green" cast, somewhere around Duck Egg Blue or a strong RLM65-ish colour. Like all colours this varied a lot depending on lighting conditions. At least three airframes, including ZE360, were repainted in "proper" BS381C colours of Barley Grey, Medium Sea Grey and Light Aircraft Grey (look at the style of the serial numbers: repainted jets had the normal RAF/Royal Navy style characters, the original colour scheme had squarer American-style characters). Radomes were interchangeable between the entire UK Phantom fleet, so could have been in any of the colour schemes. One thing to note is that some of the radomes displayed a slight brown cast to their colours, possibly due to the paint being more thinly applied over the brown radar-transparent material or by the pant having been eroded by rain and weather. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 Thanks, that's clearer to me now. I saw the brownish hue under the grey that's why I've been pre-shading my radome with black and brown. OK, I will carry on from there, your ifos are gold-plated ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 Hello there, Some progress on the Phantom. I'm struggling with the Flint grey/FS 16314 whatever colour it is that our american friends have been using to paint the J' fuselage and outer wing panels ... If the web is a stunning resource, pics are confusing as the hue is varying from duck eeg blue, or sky to .... Barley grey. So, here is my try , but I'm not convinced meself, as I find it not dense enough. On to your comms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Stephane, as per my earlier post the colour could vary dramatically depending on lighting conditions, film (if any) used, processing of same, lens filters, print quality and umpty-dozen other factors. I recently had dealings with a chap who deals in automotive paints who told me that there's an allowed tolerance of 10% on British Standards colours, so if the label on the paint tins the Americans used and you used have the same FS number on them you should be pretty close. I don't want to go anywhere near the realms of "scale effect", but on a 1/32th model it's going to be less noticeable than on a 1/72th one. Whichever paints you've used your Phantom is definitely starting to look the part, keep at it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 Thanks a bunch Stever, I'll carry on with this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Hello there, Some work done on the F-4J. The good news is that I've been finding all my missing U/C doors !!! It was simply stored (in a place where I was sure to find it easily when the time comes ... Dummy!) Other items : Nose painted Barley grey with a brownish hue Gun pod prepartion (bubbles filled with Mister Surfacer 1200 and CA glue Gun pod assembly Centerline pylon build (still need to have the linking elements to make) And rebuild of one AWOL retracting rod .... Click image to enlarge Edited December 5, 2016 by Stéphane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hello all, I hope you had a nice Christmas and lotsa new kits under the tree ... Work on the F-4 has been continuing, with the SUU-23 gun pod pylon being scratchbuilt, while the pod itsel is almost complete (still need some weathering, though). I've been using the excellent Master brass pitot and AoA sensor. I stll need to add the canera/periscope (don't know what the thingy is) on the left side of the canopy separation. Decals, from the Yellow Hammer sheet where added, too. Still a long way from home, but taking shape. As usual comments and inputs welcome. Click images to enlarge. Best Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverkite211 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Are you certain that the speedbrake wells are red and not the underside color? Edited December 26, 2016 by silverkite211 corrected spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hello, Not absolutely certain, but the auxiliary bleed engine doors are, as seen in the Verlinden walk-around about the J (UK). The landing gear doors and flaps sides are not though. The question needs to be raised, as it seems that the J had numerous "paint lives", some of them, repainte d with britsha hues, some other had the nose only repainted, etc. I choosed ZE 354, because I found a few good reference photos on the Web. And the walkaround of this very forum do seem to display red inner airbrakes (although turned pinkish by elements) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverkite211 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Right, the auxilliary inlet doors would be red, as well as the speedbrake doors, I'm just not sure that the speedbrake wells should be red. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter W Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I always believed that the air brake inner is red but the bay is the same colour as the underside. looking good so far though. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 Aaaah, indeed, the speedbrakes wells thingies you mean. . Well, er, uh, that is .... I don't have the slightest idea. I can respray some light gull grey, yes. Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't dig that deep. 1Best, Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hello , Haven't been around for a while, due to moving house and the ensuing work like floor and painting, fixing odds and bits, you know the drill. I've been re-installing the bench and managed to fin some painting time on the Phantom. Secals are on, some post shading applied, currently under fading ... Stilla good amount of work to be done, but it's moving along ... All comments welcome, as usual ... And I know, I still have to spray some light aircraft grey in these airbrake wells (click images to enlarge) Best Stef (#6) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirageiv Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Wow excellent work so far, really like it. How did you do the weathering on the top and bottom? It looks subtle but defined and very well done. Look forward to more. David. Edited March 23, 2017 by mirageiv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Thanks Mirage IV, (BTW, you're a man of taste, the Mirage IV is a Sierra Hotel sexy plane ! ) For the weathering, it's a post shading in black, dark grey, etc, softened with highly diluted veils of the original hue. The leaks on the underside were done using oil paint (burnt sienna), using the dot technique or dry brush with a wide rigid brush .... Again, it's softened with several veils of the original hue. I've a complete online album, if you like to check the various steps in details : F-4J photo album Best, Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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