vesthepes Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Hello Can an Egyptian Mirage 2k BM be made out of Italeri or Heller Mirage 2k kit? Are there any major external differences between 2kN and 2kBM except the pods and armament? no Matra Spiral System? pitot like a 2kN? what about he cockpit? Is it more similar to a 2kD or 2kN. I tought I knew Mirage 2k's untill I stated researching Egyptians...such a newb... Edited June 8, 2015 by vesthepes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) 1/48?? you can use a B kit, boxed by Airfix and Heller. or alternatively the Kinetic/ Italeri 2seater kits. take care to use the large C style radome and not a N or D one! they are too small! two photos here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?20770-request-Egyptian-Mirage-2000 pitot like a B, C or N (so yes, a pitot on the nose, from Master preferably ) on the ECM system on the wing roots... sorry, no idea, but probably none when delivered! https://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/air-force/p27918-egyptian-air-forcemirage-2000.html https://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/air-force/p27915-egyptian-air-forcemirage-2000.html Edited June 9, 2015 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Thanks Werner that is helpful... Ahh the radome, yes of course, it's a B afterall. That probably means the cockpit must be somewhat like a B. I have the Heller D/N (Eduard repack) and the Italeri D (Kinetic B/D/N repack) which has parts for the Hellenic BGM (two type of radomes) - I guess I could use that Greek radome?? I love the light grey look of the Egyptian 2k, so rare but very pretty. And I think I already got my mind made up... cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) oh , sorry, there is NO Heller B kit with the correct radome....! taking this review as reference: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59171-kinetic-mirage-2000-bdn-review/ I would guess that the C9 part would be appropriate for any B model (France(also N with some new panel lines etc.), Greece, Peru, Egypt or India) the C10 nosecone has small strakes and a spinted nose without pitot tube. that is the correct one for every -5 (France, Taiwan& Quatar (also Twoseaters!)), -5Mk2 (Greece( twoseaters!! ( http://haf.gr/newsmedia/2015/06/5june15-houras-DSC_0184.jpg))) and -9 UAE (also twoseaters) EDIT! actually none of them seems to be correct for a D I would assume that the nose from Pavla would also fit the Heller/ Eduard kits.... http://www.pavlamodels.cz/katalogy/detail.php?k=air&m=48&c=46&styl=styly.css if your use the Italeri kinetic kit, I would recommend the use of a resin nozzle..... either Aires, or rflight. the PE one form the Eduard C vesion is also nice! Edited June 14, 2015 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) Thanks again, this is very helpful... So that means it's more difficult to make a D than a B from Italeri kit which is supposed to be a D. Well nothing surprising I guess... Well I mean that's good news for me, cause I'm pretty determined about this BM project and I never planned on doing a D. I think I'll have a problem with decals since I don't have the Mirage 2000 inscription that Egyptians carry... Before BM came to mind I always wanted to make a N shot down during deny flight op (op. Crecerelle). I hope I'll kick off with that one soon. Took me some time to gather all the info for that one and aftermarket for the Eduard/Heller kit and I think I have enough to start it... Edited June 10, 2015 by vesthepes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) you'd had to remodel the radome, thats all for a D... I think Fflight has one in their -5 conversions (great no? they offer the small one for the D in the -5 set, Kinetic/ Italeri did it the other way around.... can't anybody do it correctly?? ) actually there are Decals for Egyptian Mirage 2000s! http://www.ebay.fr/itm/FFSMC-Productions-Decals-1-48-Foreign-Mirage-2000-Inde-Egypte-Taiwan-Qatar-/300711585342 had to think a bit I have to confess! you can also contact the owner/ producer of ffsmc productions, a nice and helpful guy! http://ffsmc-productions.com/en/ here some radome advice (in french) but self explaining pictures I guess! http://fighters.forumactif.com/t68118p45-mirage-2000b-eduard-heller-1-48#1297242 Edited June 11, 2015 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Yup, the radome and various aerials are the major difference. Though, connected to the radome: it seems Egyptian Mirage 2000s have no stencil denoting their radar type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 The decals look great but are quite pricey, well at least for that small part I need. I'll probably try printing my own Mirage 2k inscription, or scrap it from other Mirage kits... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The decals look great but are quite pricey, well at least for that small part I need. I'll probably try printing my own Mirage 2k inscription, or scrap it from other Mirage kits... that is always an option do care for a correct and nice flag! (Eduard MiG-21MF maybe suitable) roundels and arabic numbers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 maybe the best and most modern (June 2015!!!) pic of Egyptian Mirage 2000s http://haf.gr/newsmedia/2015/06/5june15-houras-DSC_0118.jpg from here: exercise Houras 2015 Helenic and Egyptian Mirages!!! http://haf.gr/el/news.asp?id=10307 hove fun with all the new markings maybe someone brings out decals for these now!?! Caracal??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 Those are the exact same pics I saw when I decided to put this inquiry in motion... is there anything different with the markings? what do you mean new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 then perfect! I have not seen these pictures before, but now I can understand your desire to build one of these! "new" means relatively clear and recent! clear numbers, arabic and ours (arabic as well? puzzled ) the arabic numbers are quite large and bold in my opinion, and I never noticed to grey camouflage consists of 2 tones of grey! with a very hard demarcatoin line on some of them the spine's panels! :) or is this just my imagination ant weathering/ touch ups?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) and I never noticed to grey camouflage consists of 2 tones of grey! with a very hard demarcatoin line on some of them the spine's panels! :) or is this just my imagination ant weathering/ touch ups?? Yes I also noticed this for the first time when I saw the new pics. But then I again rechecked some older photos and the demarcation line was also visible on some. Although the other tone was more light grey than blue. I have a few older HQ photos and the aircraft are quite tidy and clean. Now on those 2015 photos they seem quite weathered. Maybe that is the original French B/C variant blue underneath? ...wow, wait.. just now I realized what you mean by checking the photo of the parked EM, this whole time I was looking at the BM on the photo taking off... The EM looks very clean and the two tone demarcation line very visible as you already mentioned. Now check the BM.. Edited June 14, 2015 by vesthepes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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