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I tried to investigate other color codes, but I came across the fact that for some reason they are not in the RAL online catalog. However, my searches led to such find: AMT/AGT-1 - НЦ-5133 №924, №923 - RAL 924?

Modern AII nitroenamel as НЦ-5134 is sold here -> https://www.himtek-yar.ru/catalog/paints/nts_5134/ Modern designation AMT/AGT: AMT-1 -> НЦ-5133 №924, №923 АМТ-4 -> НЦ-5133 №760, №741 АМТ-7-> НЦ-5133 №952, №953 АМТ-12-> НЦ-5133 № 824, №827 АМТ-16-> НЦ-5133 № 842, №843 Sold here -> http://emal-nc-132.ru/emal-nc-5133.html I asked the manager where to see the color table, he said that the colors can be found ... in the catalog RAL ... [OMG] This is chip actually for AGT-4 enamel (not AMT), and you will laugh, but this is really very similar... my life won't be the same ...

Hi Kari :) It is necessary to ask Akanikhin, he worked with this catalog.

Of course, the colors of 30-40 circa were not thrown into the trash, they were re-calculated and they are still used.

Hi Daniele :) Regarding paint colors, you are absolutely right, there is a Russian industrial paint catalog, but it is a coded according to which it is impossible to understand which chips belong to known camouflage colors. Alexander Akanikhin, the founder of the "AKAN" model paints company, found this catalog and rummaged in it, but it is very difficult to understand something, although it is possible. Here are examples from it.

Massimo, aircraft with a closed canopy and an aircraft with an open one, are different fuselage designs. The plane from the museum has a fuselage more similar to the T10, but without the front cutouts for machine guns. T5 has a structurally different fuselage at cockpit area (inside and outside). The museum exists and exhibits are on site - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мемориальный_музей_В._П._Чкалова_(Чкаловск) By the way, this Po-2 of their museum is real 1930-40 circa (and almost untouched), and there is an opinion that its color is also genuine, the very rare creamy color that is mentioned in the monograph by Vakhlamov-Orlov.

1.The photos were taken a very long time ago, then no one was puzzled by questions of paint 2. Black is not paint, but dirt, what kind of primer was there no one bothered to find out, this is also a very old photo 3. Т5 has differences in the design of the fuselage associated with the arrangement of a movable canopy, but on the existing machine there are no such signs, and there are no signs that it was rebuilded. This plane is not even a conversion of the T5 into something else, it is a completely obscure design. It is possible that this is some kind of intermediate prototype during the transition to the T10, or special builded testbed.

Yes, SB fotos I maked myself, AE-9 quite different from A-14, with the AE-9 actually having a subtle bluish tint. The photos were taken in a light forest twilight, it is possible that in the bright sun it would have been different, and we must not forget that this paint was lying around for 70 years, who knows how it changed color, the original chip with a description of the recipe has not yet been found in the archives. There is no living space on the museum I-16, so I would not be guided by it. Damn it, it is still not even known what kind of plane it is. Some people called it as Type 5, but it is definitely not Type 5. You've known me for a long time, that's why I post here only genuine samples, because it is impossible to confirm the authenticity on museum ones. More staff. This is ammo belt for 12,7мм turret, As far as I can remember, the links for all types of heavy turrets were used the same, so these photos can be used for everything. It is still unpainted stainless steel and is severely darkened by battle damage and exposure to the environment. Here is an incredibly rare find, a soft pillow on a standard armored back has survived. The fact that the armor back is green is completely normal, the aircraft armor was also painted in black and interior colors. This is a tail unit from a Pe-2, that's how colors can degrade, so we can't mindlessly take paint samples from scrap metal. A super rare sample, this is paint from Er-2, I thought it was gray, but my friends, industrial divers, assured me that this is how corroded silver paint usually looks like. This is MBR-2 flying boat's tail, opinions were divided, some people believe that this is AMT-10 marine paint, others that it is ordinary AMT-4, degraded beyond recognition. Who wants to continue to puzzle over this riddle, here's another sample from the hatch from MBR-2

More, DB-3, DB-3F, Il-4. This is DB-3 wing, a very rare "worms camo", although the paint has mostly destroed, you can get an idea. M-88 cylinder, typical painting for all types, from M-85 to M-88B. Heat resistant glossy black. This is Il-4 navigator's instruments module, matte black, and interior A-14. This is mounting bracket for pilot (or navigator,) main compass from DB-3F, you can see an alternative interior blue(sky) that was quite common on prewar/early war aircrafts (not only DB-3). This is part from Il4 1944 circa, dorsal gunner's door, matte black. This is a very unexpected discovery, it was not previously known that the open elements of the cocpits could be painted white, in the picture the seat of the gunner from the DB-3 or IL-4 This is a high pressure air bottle, also painted white which is very unusual. The RSB radio set from the Il-4, you can see how colorful it is. Machine gun sleeve from DB3 & Il-4, stainless steel Another unusual thing, this is a movement limiter for large-caliber bombs, they are usually black, but this bright yellow, this large piece of iron was inserted into the wing behind the bomb and fixed the tail of the bomb with the other end so that it would not wobble in flight, a rather large and noticeable detail for a modeler. Parts of M-88 engine, You can see the perfectly preserved colors of the various aggregates.

In recent years, the painting of models in "naked style" has become popular, especially prototypes that had a mixed metal-wooden structure, but as a rule, although such works look impressive, they are basically fundamentally incorrect, since they do not take into account the real technology of manufacturing aircraft parts. In this regard, I want to offer this set of photographs of a real unpainted I-16 and perhaps it will serve as an inspiration for someone This is one of 3 prototypes I-16 with experimental Savin's-Norov's machine guns, by the way, these machines later participated in the war and were lost in combat. If interested you can read about it here - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=842375976595985&id=100024707717528

Soft only

Not really I-153, but this scheme was standard in the aviation of the Far East. Judging by the type of stars, this is the end of the WW2 or the post-war circa.

Sorry Massimo, but you are wrong. (images are not in the same scale) About of the colors, I do not know what mushrooms Maslov smoked, but there were exactly three types of colorings, blue-red on the first prototype, black-gray on the second (possibly red-gray), and black-red on the third (possibly blue-red) ... It's all. This is all fake:

>I made a post to the wrong discussion by mistake, please sorry, it should have been here - Friends, do you think only westerns make the wrong colors for russian related staff? This last year's shame was massively discussed on russian part of Facebook, but the authors, after being forced to confess their incompetence, do not even consider themselves wrong. "We are artists, we see it that way". Source: https://www.facebook.com/marzdosaaf/posts/642488466336820 I had a conversation with this Albert, the author of these wonderful colors, in the end I managed to squeeze out of him a confession that the colors were taken from the wreckage of real planes, but! 1. Paint degradation was not taken into account. 2. They didn't do chemical analysis from samples. 3. They did not conduct any serious research on the subject at all. 4. They have not attracted any well-known expert in this field. 5. They allegedly consulted Mikhail Maslov. Which, although a well-known historian and author of monographs on the I-16, is not a recognized specialist in real life VVS paints, мoreover, there are many wrong color schemes in his books.

Hi, Massimo :) This is not from ebay, unfortunately I cannot tell the exact source, it was a long time ago, if my memory serves me, some German collector showed it. More staff. SB. Chassis door, AE-9 light gray paint. Internals, A-14 Landing rockets, black heat resistant paint mayby MB-6 or 2318 Tie tape for engine hood covers, unpainted stainless steel Exhaust pipes, heat-resistant black paint (MB-6 or 2318)? Link collector-links ejector of the front turret, unpainted stainless steel And one of the tails from my collection

More old staff. Most likely, this fragment was cut off from the rudder DB-3 or DB-3f. All other Soviet bombers are unsuitable for a number of factors. Well, here it is already written that this is from the I-16.

Besides, different pilot сanopy, different glazing of the tail gunner, different tail, and many little details differences.

Mars models, Il-4 1942 Circa 1/72 plastic kit with PE, WIP status. This project uses a large amount of archival material, including genuine factory drawings.

This is real WW2 Tu2s, 1. 103ВС, 1942 circa, 2. Tu-2C, 1943 circa.

Keep in mind, the general outline of the Zvezda model differs from the restored ILs, as research has shown that the historical sources do not match the factory blueprints that were used to restore the real thing. The documentation that Tamiya received and according to which her development was made, is also based on "incorrect" factory drawings. BTW The Tamiya actually has the wrong pilot's canopy, because it wasn't in the documentation, Tamiya designed this part herself. Here's a funny story.

To be honest, I didn't ask for details. Their number is in the region of 120+, I don't remember exactly the number.

My old color plates by AKAN.

Few facts about this development. The lineup will have 4 modifications. Historical consultant for this project is Ivan Rodionov, the author of the famous IL-2 drawings from the old Soviet magazine Modelist-Constructor, the very drawings that have been redrawn for 30 years in all books around the world. Rodionov defines more than 100! serial modifications of the IL-2 (no, in the figure, the number of zeros is correct). Zvezda models are claimed to be the most accurate replicas of the subject. They are even more accurate than two real restored flying Il-2s.