bodchris

Woud love to help but can't work out how to post an image! Do you have to upload to photobucket etc?

Well Steve there is an old saying that goes 'You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink'. You seem to be stuck in an information time warp and clinging to it like a limpet. If you knew what material Clinton78 has access to I think you'd change your mind very quickly. I only have small glimpses into what he can see and I am blown away. He can't reveal his sources and I won't on his behalf. As for me I have over 40,000 Images of Bf 109s, well over 100 books on the Bf 109 not including digitised books as well as literally hundreds of books on the Luftwaffe (not including 1970's book which unless containing original photogaphs with sources or origin). This in itself does not qualify me but perhaps my work on identifying the units of previously identified Bf 109 images by means of camouflage, tactical markings styles, geographical surroundings etc will, and hopefully the fruits of this will become available soon. There really isn't anymore to be gained by arguing the toss, so in the words of the Genie in Walt Disney's Aladdin : " I'm outta here!"

Steve/Stonar I have been watching this topic with interest. My observations are: Jack's photo DOES show 70/71, you are incorrect in staing 02/70. Clinton78 is correct. most 1970's Luftwaffe books and even those of the 1980's are hopelessly riddled with errors, I would dump all the 1970's books straight away. I would also add whilst very 'pretty' most of the Jagdwaffe series by Classic Publications have a fair proportion of errors too. Perhaps if you joined websites like LEMB, TOCH and German sites such as Falcon's Bf 109 website and Luftarchiv.de you would appreciate that very much has moved on in studies of the Luftwaffe marking schemes since these books have been released. I am really sorry you are displaying this attitude towards Clinton78. What more evidence do you want him to bring? He can't keep repeating it. More than what he has already brought would be overkill. You just need to accept that he is correct, even the original poster jes/touval has accepted this. I suggest you read the reference books he has pointed you towards, take a fresh look at the images he has posted, get on some Luftwaffe websites and keep calm and carry on..... Chris

It's not a one off trench art! My father has one of these, exactly the same as your model. He served with 10 Sqd on Halifax's at Pocklington. The origin of these brass models is quite simple: My father informed me that enterprising individuals would make a model to cast a mould, gather shell cases, melt them down, pour the molten metal into the mould and then sell to servicemen the resulting rough cast model. The purchaser had then to rub down and polish to make a finished item. This was the case with my father's model. He borrowed files and emery paper and made a very passable model. He also has a Spitfire made from airframe white metal airframe alloys supplied by the same chap. Apparently a fair number were made! Do not confuse these with cheap Indian sourced rubbish floating around, the originals are dimensionally quite accurate. Sorry, I don't have photo's, but next time I'm with him I'll try to remember to take some shots. Regards Chris