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Here is a page from Merrick and Hitchcock's The Official Guide to Painting German Aircraft...
41 is much lighter than 66 according to this source. Although it was published over 40 years ago it is still an excellent source for color information. But perhaps newer information contradicts?
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6 hours ago, Werdna said:
I mentioned earlier the wing camo 'wrap around' over the leading edges. This pic (again, of what is believed to be an Erla G-10 in green/green camo) illustrates it pretty well..
The oil cooler is the Erla type. Oil cooler and associated lower cowl could be natural metal. Great photo BTW...
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Here is a link to Barry Numerick's Bf 109 H V55 conversion: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235038013-messerschmitt-me-209-h-or-is-it-the-bf-109-v-55/
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Perhaps the drawing does depict the K style oil cooler. The rear of the cooler does not flair into the fuselage as with the original G type, rather it is depicted as extending from the fuselage, consistent with the K machines.
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On 3/17/2022 at 3:03 AM, SafetyDad said:
Interestingly this drawing shows both the retractable tail wheel and the revised fuselage access panel associated with the Bf 109 K. Why was the panel changed for the K, and why would it be present on the H?
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Absolutely brilliant!
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Wow! That is marvelous!!!
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The artist was Brian Knight.
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Here is a shot of a JG 1 machine in the US after the war...
Power egg looks to me like RLM 81, vertical fin and forward fuselage RLM 76, gear door 65? The upper fuselage could be RLM 71 or 71/ 81 combo or? Wing tip looks like RLM 71 or ?
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The belief that RLM 83 was green came about because researchers 50 years ago had a RLM document (Sammelmitteilung 2, dated 15 August 1944) listing RLM paints by number only, that is, with no descriptive terms or color samples. All of these RLM paints were identified in other documents as to color, except RLM 83. Concurrently, information about late war greens was also evolving. Researchers had three different sample of late war greens. RLM 81 and 82 accounted for two, so the remaining green must be the missing color for RLM 83.
In reality there were only two late war greens RLM 82 and RLM 81, but the later was seen in two distinct forms, a dark green and a dark olive brown. This is why early researchers assumed there were three late war greens.
Recently more information on RLM 83 has surfaced. There is a RLM message documenting the development of a dark blue camouflage paint for use exclusively by aircraft operating over the Mediterranean Sea. This paint was initially identified as 300/III during the testing phase but after acceptance was changed to RLM 83. In November 1943 RLM released documentation announcing the introduction of RLM 83, and describes its use in with RLM 72 for seaplanes and RLM 70 for land based aircraft operating in the Mediterranean.
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The RLM specifically directed the use of 81/71 or 82/70 combinations in order to use the remaining stocks of the earlier colors. Additionally RLM 83 is not green, but blue. Recent discoveries in the German records clearly establish this. RLM 83 was developed for use on bombers operating in the Mediterranean, but did not see much use.
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The early production Bf 109 Fs did not have the lens cover, it was introduced during F-2 production. The photo above with the man is painting a cockade on the wingtip is an accurate depiction and is not missing a lens cover. I believe Zvedza is the only kit manufacturer to pick up on this detail in their 1/48 scale Bf 109 F-2 kit, in that it provides both types.
The bulb itself would have been subcontracted and very likely interchangeable between various marks.
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Aeromaster 48-582 has the marking your researching, available here https://www.ultracast.ca/AeroMaster-48-582-Bf-109E-Battle-of-Britain-p/am48582.htm
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Wings appear to match, note camouflage demarcation and smudging? outboard of the cross.
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Starboard view, the 14 appears lighter than the fuselage cross.
Spinner back plate appears slightly darker than cap, possibly RLM71 with red. Note that wing cross extends onto leading edge slat.
Another shot of the starboard fuselage, 14 appears as dark as the fuselage cross.
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Fantastic...it looks real!
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I believe that Aeromaster is incorrect. There were no factory built F-2 Trops. There was a single field modified example (Werk Nummer 5445) assigned to 2 (H)./14.
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WNr. 8400 through 8806 comprised a total of 390 machines, of which 325 aircraft were built as the F-4/Trop and 55 built as the F-4Z The remaining 10 were evenly split between F-4/R2 and F-4/R3.
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Even model manufacturers are confused...
The Z modification allowed a brief increase in performance only at higher altitudes and required the GM-1 fuel. However, the air war in North Africa was fought at medium to low altitudes so Z modified machines would be of limited value. Additionally the GM-1 additive would be an additional logistical burden on a vulnerable supply system.
The kit that ICM identifies as a Bf 109Z-4/Trop is really a F-4 Trop, W. Nr. 10137, built by Erla GmbH.
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There was no F-2 Trop and no F-4z Trop machines were sent to North Africa. Your cited references are dated, much new information has surfaced in the last 40 years.
All the stupid bf109 questions here
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On earlier models the primer tank was in the cockpit.