Hurricane PR11

[AnonymousFO98]

Am wanting to build a PRIIc with ventral camera pack.

HL230

HL830

have the Model Alliance decals for the latter airframe but the instructions show her without the cameras

does anyone have any photos at all of these or any PR "Bosun Blue" Hurris please or point me in the right direction.

Have looked on Google and found nothing

thank you for looking

[mike romeo]

Walrus,

Negative on photos, but there are colour profiles of HL830 (and other PR Hurricanes) in:

1) "Famous Aircraft of the World: Hawker Hurricane" by Richard J Caruana

2) "On Target Profile 12: Hawker Hurricenae in RAF and Commonwealth Service", by The Aviation Workshop

3) "Scale Aircraft Modelling: Combat colours #2 The Hawker Hurricane 1939 to 1945 in RAF, Commonwealth and FAA Service"

The sources for the profiles in 1, 3 are unattributed; that in 2 only states: "Private Sources".

In 1, the aircraft is described as "PRU blue overall" but the other 2 references state: "Bosun blue". None of the profiles portray the coat of arms shown in the profile on your link.

Apologies, but the best I can do with the sources readily to hand.

Regards,

Martin

[Test Graham]

Go to the book "Eyes of the Phoenix" by Geoff Thomas. Recently it was available from Midland Counties at a low price.

[diamant]

Hi Walrus

Give a couple of days and I will send you what we have on this issue.

We are planning to build 3 Hurricanes finished in PR "Bosun Blue" with different markings (roundels). (IIRC BM969, BH125 and probably DG630). All carried the ventral camera pack. I have photos of them.

As Graham stated the book "Eyes of the Phoenix" by Geoff Thomas has photos of these Hurricane and it is an EXCELENT book. Highly recommended.

Cheers

Santiago

Edited November 20, 2009 by diamant

[AnonymousFO98]

Thank you all

Martin, No1 would explain a PR blue Hase 1/72 build i came across in my searches. Was a bit puzzled but now it makes sense.

No2 is covered in the Model Alliance decal sheet without camera pack and iirc bosun blue spinner too.

Have the Combat colours - which was the initial inspiration for the build.

Graham, thanks for the reference to the Geoff Thomas book. Couldn't find it on the Midland Counties site, but have tracked it down elsewhere. This side of Christmas not sure i can justify treating myself. Sure looks a very good volume to have though.

Santiago, thanks also for confirming the book recommendation. Any info/picture references would be very much appreciated. What will you be using for the camera packs? I bought a resin one from SAM a few years back. Looks like i will have to learn how to vacform to make some more. Balsa wood and talc at the ready

Edited November 20, 2009 by walrus

[diamant]

My father scratchbuilt one and he has clone a couple to the rest of the PR Hurricane.

I have just sent you and email with the info.

Cheers

Santiago

[Steven Eisenman]

It may be a profile myth and if Caruana was involved, dollars to donuts, it is a myth.

HL 230 does not show up in Mason's book.

HL 830 was a Tac R IIc in Palestine.

Edited November 20, 2009 by Steven Eisenman

[AnonymousFO98]

Thanks Santiago much appreciated

look forward to seeing the PR Hurris added to that fantastic collection of yours

Thanks for the pics Steven

Raises more questions

nice little dio there

[diamant]

Your welcome Walrus

I am glad that you like what I sent you.

I hope to see your PR Hurricane soon.

Cheers

Santiago

[M4rk]

It may be a profile myth and if Caruana was involved, dollars to donuts, it is a myth.

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, and I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but is R.J. Caruana's work generally accepted to be questionable in terms of accuracy? This is purely inquisitive and I'm not trying to take sides either way I should point out!

By the way, nice pics, was not even aware there were any PR Hurricanes!

[Tony Whittingham]

Am wanting to build a PRIIc with ventral camera pack.

HL230

HL830

have the Model Alliance decals for the latter airframe but the instructions show her without the cameras

does anyone have any photos at all of these or any PR "Bosun Blue" Hurris please or point me in the right direction.

Have looked on Google and found nothing

thank you for looking

Hi Walrus,

One question: Is there a Humbrol equivalent or a mix for Bosun Blue?

Tony

[Chris Thomas]

Sorry to go slightly off topic here, and I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but is R.J. Caruana's work generally accepted to be questionable in terms of accuracy? This is purely inquisitive and I'm not trying to take sides either way I should point out!

Caruana's work always seems well executed but not exactly ground-breaking (except perhaps with subjects from his own turf - Malta). But then with the range of subjects he covers you couldn't really expect that. When he covered my own pet subjects (Typhoon and Tempest) in SAMI I was dismayed to see him illustrating a couple of each, apparently based on old profiles published in the 1960s Profile publications - and some of those were dodgy. Others have been interpretations of minute line drawings in old MJF Bowyer articles from the same period.

Bottom line is that whoever does profile work is usually interpreting black and white photos to the best (we hope) of their ability. Ability and diligence vary - so if you demand accuracy - find the original photo to work from if you can. Since the emergence of Photoshop any Tom Dick or Harry can turn out 'profiles' and I have seen some horrendous examples in print.

CT

[AnonymousFO98]

Could we keep the profiles debate seperate please?

Not that i don't think the subject is irrelevant or has no bearing here.

The only reason i ask is that the subject of PR Hurris is not widely discussed on the net and a search comes up with very little.

It will hopefully benefit future searches

Tony

There is no Hu equivalent unfortunately

AFAIK it was made up from an ICI paint, "Bosun's Blue" unsurprisingly a navy blue.

It was mixed with black pigment (presumably Lamp Black) and White Zinc pigment and thinned with turpentine.

The colour profiles differ in tone, but judging from the photos the darker ones seem more likely.

However, there is the question of weathering and reaction of the pigments over time. Am surprised how shiny the finish is in the above photo.

My thought was that the addition of pigment into the paint and the turps would tend to cause a matt or even a chalky finish.

Also the fact that the extra pigment has not been bound into a paint medium i would expect it to degenerate fairly quickly in the conditions.

Turps thins paint but offers little or nothing in the way of adhesion for the pigments.

Have seen Hu 15 given as a starting point for Bosun's Blue and TonyO suggests Hu 15 + black which seems very sensible.

As i am moving over to acrylics am going to try Citadel Regal Blue + Chaos Black on scrap to see how it goes.

will be interested to hear what Santiago's thoughts are

Steven

The codes thing is an interesting one- will need to get back to that

The Huriccane in the second picture has a square panel amidships, would that be a camera port? have not seen that before on a hurri.

[Steven Eisenman]

LB 935 / does appear to have obliquely mounter camera. That is the only picture I have come across of that arrangement.

For the blue I started with Tamiya Royal Blue in the acrylic range.

This is one I screwed up. Did I mention that I screwed it up? if I didn't , well I did.

[Colin S-K]

Am wanting to build a PRIIc with ventral camera pack.

HL230

HL830

have the Model Alliance decals for the latter airframe but the instructions show her without the cameras

does anyone have any photos at all of these or any PR "Bosun Blue" Hurris please or point me in the right direction.

Have looked on Google and found nothing

thank you for looking

Give me an email, can help you out with references, email me at,

[email protected]

To arrange something about getting them to you.

Any body else got any thing they are willing to share regarding the subject? Give me an email. Always glad to expand the data base, and share it.

I also run the IPMS(UK) Recce SIG.

Colin

[AnonymousFO98]

Hi Colin

many thanks! wilko!

and thanks for the pics of the models

Yes you did and no you didn't Steven- no need to be so hard on yourself.

[AnonymousFO98]

Steven

where did the pics go?

[Steven Eisenman]

Steven

where did the pics go?

Sorry. Changing photo hosting services

Also looks like LB936 or is it 836?

[AnonymousFO98]

Thanks Steven

would say it is 936

look forward to seeing the others back up as and when