Dave T Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Any Frightning experts out there ? I've heard in the distant past that the Hasegawa F.6 and the Frog version are one and the same. Then a few years back, Revell released this example which was (perhaps ?) ex-Frog. So question is, are these 3 kits from each company all one & the same or not ? And is the new-Revell re-issue due soon also the same as any or all of them ? Confused......... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I'm no expert, but I think the answer might be "yes" They're all the same moulds... better wait until heritage Ian finishes his btw - could an "expert" comment on why no-one would use the old Airfix 1:72 Lightning? Is it OOP, crap, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil @ Flory Models Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 And here it is From a long time ago in a far away land.................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The original Frog release was from Hasegawa tooling. Frog then made their own tooling copied from Hasegawa mouldings. I suspect it is the latter that was issued in Revell boxes. I heard that the 'new' Revell will actually be from the Hasegawa tooling. You should find that early Hasegawa or Frog releases will have a better set of mouldings in the box. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 could an "expert" comment on why no-one would use the old Airfix 1:72 Lightning? Is it OOP, crap, or what? I am no expert but can tell you that the Airfix is basically crap. The wings are useful for mating to an Aeroclub two seat fuselage and all the Aeroclub white metal bits will be required - U/C, radome, tail pipes, seats etc. The Airfix fuselage has shape problems that are very difficult to fix. The Airfix is usually pretty easy to find as it has been re-popped regularly, but it should be redundant when the MPM is released. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 I'm no expert, but I think the answer might be "yes" They're all the same moulds... better wait until heritage Ian finishes his btw - could an "expert" comment on why no-one would use the old Airfix 1:72 Lightning? Is it OOP, crap, or what? And on that note, how come the Matchbox kit just seems.... er.... chunkier than an Airfix example ? Although the same thought springs to mind when comparing their Halifax kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The Matchbox is um, typical Matchbox - that's how they were engineered. If you rub down and re-scribe it looks fine. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The original Frog release was from Hasegawa tooling. Frog then made their own tooling copied from Hasegawa mouldings. I suspect it is the latter that was issued in Revell boxes. This one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Revell-BAC-Lightning...1QQcmdZViewItem Is the Novo/Frog mould and was released along with a batch of other ex-Frog kits (Shackleton, Sea Vixen etc) Hasegawa revised their tooling in the late 80s/early 90s to include some additional parts (cockpit IIRC) - didn';t do anything about the shape errors on the fuselage. Ironic that the best small scale Lightning is the Tamyia one in 1/100th, also released by Revell, then the Revell in 1/144th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Until the Echelon 1/32nd kit appeared, all Lightning kits had the same, impossible-to-fix error. The wings were engineered to taper from the wingroot, and, on the Lightning, they don't. The wing is the same thickness, out as far as the outer wall of the wheel well, then it tapers. Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrre Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I wonder why Heritage is doing a resin lightning when Special Hobby is doing an F.3 and when Whirlybird already has issued quite a few different Lightnings in 1:72. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian @ KitsforCash Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I wonder why Heritage is doing a resin lightning when Special Hobby is doing an F.3 and when Whirlybird already has issued quite a few different Lightnings in 1:72. K because im a lightning man, and no one does a decent f6..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Another major problem with the Airfix offering relates to the slots for the wings. Tape the fuselage halves together and look from the tail. IIRC the starbord wing has a higher angle of attack. It needs the slot filing out to correct it, plus the nescessary adjustments. I have about 6 of these kicking around, plus 2 Matchbox 2 seaters, with resin fuselages to make a T4 and T5. Also a couple of Novo re-pops of the F6. Best of all is an original FROG P1A, which will gain some Airfix wings. Also have some bits to make a P1B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but the Airfix F1a/F3 suffers from a broken back, just above the air-brake, and the wings are truly all over the place!! This kit also suffers from its age, the tools have simply worn out - time to put this tooling out of its misery Airfix! Its served you well after all!!!!! Currently the best Lightning, mainly in overall shape is the Matchbox offering...and thats really not saying much! I'm looking forward to MPM's offering - very much, it will form the basis of many a conversion from F1 thru to T5!! And for the F2a and F6, I'll just wait..until Trumpeter down-scale their 1/32nd kit!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Thomson Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Of course, you can do this with an Airfix Lightning One I made when I did jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but the Airfix F1a/F3 suffers from a broken back, And plank like wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Don't forget Lightning wings have a blunt trailing edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Brokeback Lightning... whatever next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Don't forget Lightning wings have a blunt trailing edge. yeah, but they have SOME aerofoil!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Brokeback Lightning... whatever next! Only the twin-stickers!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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