Haggis Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Sorry, what? I hadn't seen that! I'll take two! Woah, T23's are "my" ship's. I've served in HMSs Montrose, Argyll and Somerset. I love these ships, especially as you can run right round the upper deck, 7 laps a mile! I'll be getting one for sure, even though I have the WEM resin kit in the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Nooooo! Not more red and blue checks! Does every mk 22 have to have 603 in it? If history teaches us anything, it's that you can't predict the colours of the checks in 603 squadron markings! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Wagner Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 the Swordfish has now slipped to next year I did a little post-Christmas shopping at the local shop the other day and while I was browsing the shopkeeper plonked a new Swordfish down in front of me! I picked up up again rather quickly....! So it's out! And has had time to fly to Australia. But yes, strangely without any fanfare. Oh, and from my first look, it's awesome..... Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I did a little post-Christmas shopping at the local shop the other day and while I was browsing the shopkeeper plonked a new Swordfish down in front of me! I picked up up again rather quickly....!So it's out! And has had time to fly to Australia. But yes, strangely without any fanfare. Oh, and from my first look, it's awesome..... Paul There's been rather a lot of fanfare about it on here & other forums!! It was out here about a fortnight before Christmas. Or did you just mean there's been no fanfare in Australia....??? Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Woah, T23's are "my" ship's. I've served in HMSs Montrose, Argyll and Somerset. I love these ships, especially as you can run right round the upper deck, 7 laps a mile!I'll be getting one for sure, even though I have the WEM resin kit in the pile. My cousin has served on Monmouth, Portland and is currently on Montrose. I love the T23s, they're one of the best looking ships around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWP Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I can only image the scenes as some eager young modeller takes his Airfix Panther to the check out only to have his mum snatch it out of his hand and say "sorry, you're not having that, there are palm trees in the background and Panthers were never used in the desert, now go and choose something historically accurate or you'll go home with nothing". So if I understand your point correctly, you think it's perfectly OK for Airfix to spend money on new artwork that they know is rubbish, because kids (and parents) are rock-stupid and will buy them any way? (And let's teach the kids some wrong information while we're at it -- heaven knows we don't want them to become better-educated, they might spend their pocket money elsewhere!) I never said the new artwork would hurt sales. I said the new artwork will hurt their reputation (deservedly). Bad enough to keep using stupid old artwork -- complete idiocy to commission stupid new artwork. It would have cost them nothing extra to make the new artwork actually appropriate. But kids & parents are rock-stupid, so that's OK then. Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with being supportive of Airfix (I am), even OK to be a drooling fanboy if that's your thing, but when you feel the need to support a mistake as indefensible as this, you don't do your own reputation any favours, either. Edited January 1, 2012 by BWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) So if I understand your point correctly, you think it's perfectly OK for Airfix to spend money on new artwork that they know is rubbish, because kids (and parents) are rock-stupid and will buy them any way? (And let's teach the kids some wrong information while we're at it.) Nope, I'm not saying that at all. I never said the new artwork would hurt sales. I said the new artwork will hurt their reputation (deservedly). Bad enough to keep using stupid old artwork -- complete idiocy to commission stupid new artwork. It would have cost them nothing extra to make the new artwork actually appropriate.But kids & parents are rock-stupid, so that's OK then. Where did I say anyone was "rock stupid"? I was merely making a lightly ironic observation on perceptions that everyone who buys a kit is doing with the sensibilities and sensitivities of exacting enthusiast modellers. I can think of plenty of box art out there that is wrong - sure, be nice if it was right, but it usually ends up in the recycling bin once a project is finished. If you bothers you that much, feel free to picket your local hobby store armed with references and educate those you deem "rock stupid" because they didn't pick up on the things you have. They may reply it's only a hobby, be sure to correct them.* Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with being supportive of Airfix (I am), even OK to be a drooling fanboy if that's your thing, but when you feel the need to support a mistake as indefensible as this, you don't do your own reputation any favours, either. I don't think I supported any "indefensible mistakes". One can make an ironic observation without committing oneself to an opinion of either persuasion. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony Edited January 1, 2012 by Jonathan Mock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 603 (yeah!) and 607 in the first release, if I read it right. One silver and one camo. And a starting point for a Seafire 46/47 conversion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madam I'm Adam Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 To the list I was gonna say ........BORING..... but if I had drunk less I would probably be more circumspect and say ....Safe.... Happy ...hick! new ....Year,... Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 when you feel the need to support a mistake as indefensible as this, you don't do your own reputation any favours, either. I'm not following why the artwork is an indefensible mistake. The majority of modellers, even serious ones, aren't historians and won't give two hoots that the artwork shows the vehicle in the wrong theatre, provided the model itself is good and has markings for the correct theatre. Those of us who know about these things can have a laugh and take the pi** that Airfix made a boo-boo on the box art, but do Airfix care? Not really, because the vast majority of people will still buy it. Revell's twin-seat Typhoon artwork shows a twin-seat T.1 carrying Storm Shadow and Meteor. It's wrong, but does anyone really care? I certainly didn't - I bought two of them almost immediately. As Jonathan says, the box ends up in the bin anyway, so it doesn't really make much difference. At the end of the day, most casual modellers will look at it and think "Ooo, a Panther!" and buy it. They aren't "rock stupid", they just want a model of a Panther tank. More serious modellers will look at it and think "Ooo, a new Panther! Wrong theatre on the box, but who cares, it's a new Panther" and buy it. A tiny minority will look at it and think "Ooo, a new Panther, wait, what's this? The wrong theatre? FFS! How could Airfix be so stupid? I'm not touching that!" and then turn away, only for the casual modeller behind him to say "Ooo, a Panther!" and buy it. The purpose of the artwork is not to teach, it is to sell the model, and in Airfix's case they do this by making the artwork as exciting as possible. If that means showing a Panther tank driving through a desert landscape with lots of explosions and stuff, then so be it. You don't learn history from model kit box art, you learn it from books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 One silver and one camo. And a starting point for a Seafire 46/47 conversion! You can't have too many 603 Squadron Spitfires! For me this is the most exciting release announced by Airfix for this year and I can see me buying several. I'll also go on and have a prediction on a Series 3 Mk24 with underwing stores and a Series 4 Seafire 46/47 with optional folding wings in the fullness of time. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You can't have too many 603 Squadron Spitfires! For me this is the most exciting release announced by Airfix for this year and I can see me buying several. I'll also go on and have a prediction on a Series 3 Mk24 with underwing stores and a Series 4 Seafire 46/47 with optional folding wings in the fullness of time. John New rudder and high back fuselage insert to make a 21 please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You can't have too many 603 Squadron Spitfires! For me this is the most exciting release announced by Airfix for this year and I can see me buying several. I'll also go on and have a prediction on a Series 3 Mk24 with underwing stores and a Series 4 Seafire 46/47 with optional folding wings in the fullness of time. John Am I the only one who would'd have preferred 73 Sqdn. markings ? I find these the most attractive markings ever worn by the Spit.22 Not that I'm going to complain with some RAuxAF markings.. if the kit will be accurate I'll be buying several, some to be built as 22/24, others for conversion to Seafire 46 and some for some crosskitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Am I the only one who would'd have preferred 73 Sqdn. markings ? I find these the most attractive markings ever worn by the Spit.22Not that I'm going to complain with some RAuxAF markings.. if the kit will be accurate I'll be buying several, some to be built as 22/24, others for conversion to Seafire 46 and some for some crosskitting. I suspect we'll be very well served by decal manufacturers when this comes out! And, of course, Airfix may include your 73 Squadron markings in their Mk22/24 boxing... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 New rudder and high back fuselage insert to make a 21 please. Possible kit bash with upper fuselage and canopy from the Mk.IX kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) I suspect we'll be very well served by decal manufacturers when this comes out! And, of course, Airfix may include your 73 Squadron markings in their Mk22/24 boxing...John In a sense we are already served: the Mark I book can be bought with decals in various scales, including 1/72. The book alone is highly recommended, with the decals it becomes even more interesting. Edited January 2, 2012 by Giorgio N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Possible kit bash with upper fuselage and canopy from the Mk.IX kit? You mean the XIX kit: the IX rudder would be too small while the XIX would have the right parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Dave and I are okay - we go back to the dawn of t'internet! Plastic cement duels will not be necessary!You asked how I define "Challenging" with regards to the Airfix Harrier...now - where to begin!!! My approach to building these are reasonably well documented - in build articles in SAMi and on various websites - maybe even on here? These describe how I've attempted to tackle these challenges. I can provide links to some , if necessary! Failling that I'd seriously suggest anyone wishing to build a decent replica of this most iconic of aircraft visit the HARSIG website - where SIG Leader Nick (NG899 on here) has provided copious notes on how to improve both the SHAR and the GR3. You can pick and mix or ignore to your hearts content! Of course all of this is subject to the ambitions and skills level of any individual modeller. Kits are as easy or as difficult as the individual chooses! Some may be happy with an OOB with this kit, others like me - are not! There's nowt wrong wiith either approach. Each to their individual own I say! And I'd prefer a decent 1/72nd Lightning to a VC10 anyday!! (EDIT: Incidentally I don't think that I've stated that I found these challenges unenjoyable BTW! It'd just be nice to build a decent 1/48th Harrier without all of these mods!!) Happy New Year Bill!! I am actually in broad agreement with you. They ARE as easy or as diffucult as one chooses. I choose to build out of the box & others choose a different path. By "decent replica", I mean one that is visually acceptable to me. I concentrate on quality of finish & paintwork without bothering about accuracy. It works for me.! I respect your different opinion on this. After all, we are BOTH modellers!! Yes, I'd LOVE a decent 1/72 Lightning as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Possible kit bash with upper fuselage and canopy from the Mk.IX kit? The XIX kit is a possibility, although with it's too short nose (Please make sure you get that right Airfix!) you'd just be using the parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) You mean the XIX kit: the IX rudder would be too small while the XIX would have the right parts. Indeed, some crosskitting would work, though you would need a new canopy of course; I think that the Mk21 also had wide span tail-planes from the Mk.22 as well, and the rudder horn balance may differ (or was that only on the contra-rotating spinner Mk 21's?) Edited January 2, 2012 by Bill Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Indeed, some crosskitting would work, though you would need a new canopy of course; I think that the Mk21 also had wide span tail-planes from the Mk.22 as well, and the rudder horn balance may differ (or was that only on the contra-rotating spinner Mk 21's?) The F21 had normal FXIV tail-planes and rudder unless fitted with a contra-prop, in which case a FXVIII type broad chord rudder was fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heraldcoupe Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 ........ I find them VERY challenging !! I can fully understand on a commercial and historical basis why they're being re-issued for 2012, but really! According to the Airfix website, both the FRS1 and GR3 are new tools........ Cheers, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pperkins Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Can any one conform if the boeing 737 and 727 are still in the new catalogue as only the 727 is on the website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 According to the Airfix website, both the FRS1 and GR3 are new tools........Cheers, Bill. No they aren't! They don't have the little red asterisk next to them that denotes the new tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heraldcoupe Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) No they aren't! They don't have the little red asterisk next to them that denotes the new tools. When I posted that at 08:18am, they did have the red asterisk, which is why I posted it in the first place! I guess someone spotted the mistake.... Cheers, Bill. Edited January 3, 2012 by Heraldcoupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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