Col. Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Help me here gang. At a recent club night I picked up a few Japanese kits that came without boxes. One of them was a Fujimi 'Army Type-99 Advanced Trainer "Ida"' in a rather attention-demanding orange. The colour chart on the instructions shows the interior as 'H54 Navy blue' while the exterior is a scheme of 'H17 Cocoa brown' for the engine cowl and u/c fairings with the fuselage and flying surfaces in a mix of 'H24 Orange yellow' & 'H3 Red' but the script is Japanese characters so I've no idea what paint range or in the latter case quantities this requires. A rummage around the 'net has only got me confused so was hoping some of you may be able to steer me in the right direction as to what best paint matches would be for this one before I rush in and make an bottom of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Help me here gang. At a recent club night I picked up a few Japanese kits that came without boxes. One of them was a Fujimi 'Army Type-99 Advanced Trainer "Ida"' in a rather attention-demanding orange. The colour chart on the instructions shows the interior as 'H54 Navy blue' while the exterior is a scheme of 'H17 Cocoa brown' for the engine cowl and u/c fairings with the fuselage and flying surfaces in a mix of 'H24 Orange yellow' & 'H3 Red' but the script is Japanese characters so I've no idea what paint range or in the latter case quantities this requires.A rummage around the 'net has only got me confused so was hoping some of you may be able to steer me in the right direction as to what best paint matches would be for this one before I rush in and make an bottom of it. See this thread: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...japanese+orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 The colour is basically yellow, but an orange-yellow rather than a lemon-yellow. I wouldn't wish to be too precise but it is not the bright orange sometimes suggested. I must admit to painting the cowling and leg fairings black rather than brown. There are two dominant websites for Japanese colour information: http://www.j-aircraft.com (or .org) http://www.straggleresearch.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the links lads. Those should keep me reading for a while and once again I find the answers exist here already if only I'd searched a little deeper. So perhaps I should look more towards a slightly orange yellow than orange. Will have a trawl through the paint stash and see what exists in there. Seems a nice kit from an investigation of the parts with well represented surface detail and a rather basic cockpit. Unfortunately there's little or no information on the interior I've come across thus far apart from a single photo of each instrument panel. Edited October 12, 2011 by Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 FWIW, those paint designations (H3, H54, etc) are probably Gunze colours (gawd, I'm slippin', used the Brit spelling for color ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 The colour varied, I dare say Nick can elaborate but I have used both 12 x Hum154 + 1 x Hum174 and 10 X Rev310 + 1 x Hum 174 with good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 FWIW, those paint designations (H3, H54, etc) are probably Gunze colours (gawd, I'm slippin', used the Brit spelling for color ) Well it is Britmodeller so sure you can be excused Now you've said Gunze the codes make more sense Chuck. Seems to be a prefered option in all the Hasegawa kits I've had but can't remember when or indeed if I've ever worked on a Fujimi model before now. The colour varied, I dare say Nick can elaborate but I have used both 12 x Hum154 + 1 x Hum174 and 10 X Rev310 + 1 x Hum 174 with good results. From what I've read so far on Japanese colours of this era there was no single manufacturer thus shade and tone varied depending on time and place of application. Will check out those codes and see what I can find thanks Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 FWIW, those paint designations (H3, H54, etc) are probably Gunze colours (gawd, I'm slippin', used the Brit spelling for color ) Soon you'll tyre of that, then go for a tea interval Ta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Fit Like?! I hope you've cracked out the shades whilst you build that, the orange was a little flourescent to say the least! Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Soon you'll tyre of that, then go for a tea interval Ta! "tire" and "tea break" to be correct Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Fit Like?!I hope you've cracked out the shades whilst you build that, the orange was a little flourescent to say the least! Mark. Nae bad cheers cheel. Yirself? Had to put the kit in a drawer so we can get to sleep at night without the glow lighting up the bedroom! At first it was just one in a long list of future projects but the more I look at the crazy orange sprues the higher up the list it gets. Was on the bike a couple days ago and got thinking about the colour. Bit like RAF Trainer yellow in purpose I suppose but seems to be glossier. Still not had a chance to go through the paints box but will keep those Humbrol numbers in mind when I do. Be surprised if Tamiya don't do a match for that colour but will have a look in their rack next time I get to the LMS and think about trying acrylics for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Have a look here: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...japanese+orange HTH Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 That thread is about IJN "orange"! The Ki-36/55 was an Army aircraft and until February 1945 the Army and Navy had different paint colour standards. So there was really no such thing as a "Japanese orange" per se. Army Trainers Please read the comments to that blog post too. The Army paint standard swatch is quite a deep orange-yellow (it is a Munsell "yellow red") but some colour photos and contemporary art show colours that are closer to Thorpe's A17 Deep Yellow in appearance (referred to in reports as well), possibly partly the result of degradation and/or surface chalking. '8609 4-1' refers to the reconciliation of Army and Navy paint colours in Feb 1945 and is the swatch from that document. It is close to the IJN paint colour standard 'C1'. In the schematic the closest FS 595b values are shown below each swatch with a difference calculation where < 2.0 = a close match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thank you for that link and also the extra detail Nick. Had a quick read through and am now wondering if the quoted Cocoa brown is indeed worn and faded black. That would certainly make for an interesting touch of weathering around the front end but then I guess it's a case of matching that to a similar effect on the yellow. Hmm, so much for a nice simple project to add a colourful and unusual type to the display case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Thank you for that link and also the extra detail Nick. Had a quick read through and am now wondering if the quoted Cocoa brown is indeed worn and faded black. That would certainly make for an interesting touch of weathering around the front end but then I guess it's a case of matching that to a similar effect on the yellow. Hmm, so much for a nice simple project to add a colourful and unusual type to the display case... Hi Col - I have to say that on my own Ki-55 I used the "Gunze" cocoa brown as suggested by Fujimi and really like the combination with the yellow! I mixed the yellow from Xtracolor RAF Training Yellow but can't recall now what I mixed it with - another Xtracolor red I think. The Xtracolor is not a vivid yellow so works well. Regards Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Sorry about the delay in replying Nick and thanks for the suggestions on paint. My plan is to use your mix but transfer it to Humbrol enamels and see how that looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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