pte1643 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Here, if anyone's interested... 55°51'05.97" N 37°27'22.34" E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbuna Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Absolutely stunning!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) Great stuff Ken, love the sea base, must admit I've got one on order too and might mod it into the later version with the cruise engines mounted high over the flight deck . It truly was a monster and must have been quite something to see and hear in it's day...pity someone managed to crash it in 1980 after over pitching on take off and banking hard over back into the water.....it would have been nice to have seen the thing preserved for all to wonder at in a similar way to the 'Lun'. I always liked this photo which gives you some idea of the size of the thing!! It's a real shame that the Spasatel wasn't finished and commissioned it could have been quite an asset particularly in the SAR role. It would be great if one or two of the model companies picked up on other proposed projects such as the MPE , 'Chaika' WIG's or massive Amphicon NVA-600 projects. Mind you it would seem that Beriev had some ideas about re visiting the concept with its BE-2500, Now that does make a nice model.... Melchie... Edited October 13, 2011 by general melchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madam I'm Adam Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Brilliant machines Thanks for all the info Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdo Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Fantastic stuff. These machines are fascinating! Lovely models too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Crazy airplanes - and beautiful models! Long time ago, I remember hearing or reading that the turbulence in these WIG (wing in ground effect) vehicles was so bad that even the pilot had a permanent barf bag. Any truth to that? Or maybe that was an early problem that was compensated for somehow? Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Think that was a bit of 'urban legend' creeping in Bill , from what I understand the KM was a delight to 'fly' having good manoeuverability at high speed and stable throughout the flight regime. It weighed upward of 544 tons and was powered by 10 Dobrynin VD-7 engines, (the same engines as fitted to the huge Myasischev 3M Bison), to a max speed of 310 mph at 46 feet, the optimum altitude for WIG to be effective. It also had a great reliablity record and was deemed to be successfu,l meeting all requirements at the time and was greatly liked by all its flight crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 What Melchie says..... But 'powered by 10 engines' is a bit of a misnomer....... As soon as it was 'on the cushion' in Ground Effect - the front eight engines were throttled back and only the two fin-mounted cruise engines were being used to power it forwards. The eight front-mounted 'lift' engines were only used to get it going from a standing start - the 'sugar scoop' deflectors were angled downwards to stuff the air under the wings. Once in forward motion, the deflectors were angled straight back as the beast accelerated on the cushion and then throttled back as it reached full speed. That's why they were so economical - for a given engine thrust they could travel farther than a conventional aircraft or use less fuel for the same distance. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Think that was a bit of 'urban legend' creeping in Bill , from what I understand the KM was a delight to 'fly' having good manoeuverability at high speed and stable throughout the flight regime. It weighed upward of 544 tons and was powered by 10 Dobrynin VD-7 engines, (the same engines as fitted to the huge Myasischev 3M Bison), to a max speed of 310 mph at 46 feet, the optimum altitude for WIG to be effective. It also had a great reliablity record and was deemed to be successfu,l meeting all requirements at the time and was greatly liked by all its flight crews. Thanks, General. I suspeced as much, which is why I asked. The WIG aircraft are certainly unique - 310 mph at 46 feet! That has to be a rush! Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Cheers Jim, no problem, But 'powered by 10 engines' is a bit of a misnomer....... Ken, yes sorry should have made that clear, the whole point of the exercise was economy and range after all..... Though it's a composite photo of model and background this shows the later version nicely with the rear cruise engines moved from the tail fin to above the cabin, one reason for this was to reduce spray ingestion, (the intakes were also fitted with spray deflectors in due course as seen in the lower picture).The saucer shaped object above the engines is the pylon mounted navigation radar. Wonderful machines that somehow only the Soviets could have come up with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subhunter Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Absolutely stunning build - luv the dio base ! Quick question - What did you use for the great water-effect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Hi Subhunter First I masked off the edges of the base, then slapped on some blue paint (those little match pots from DIY stores) - couple of different blues, maybe a touch of black etc - all totally random. I then masked off the white areas - and sprayed with a rattle can of Halfords White Primer. Then I got some blue cellophane and crumpled it up into a ball - then spread it out again and, using clear glue on top of the blue paint, stuck the cellophane down over it. The wrinkles in the cellophane give a rippled effect - with air pockets trapped under it giving some impressions of depth. I also re-sprayed the white on top of the cellophane to make it more dense. It all sounds a bit complicated - but its dead simple. Here's my 1/144 scale Revell A-90 done the same way.... (the last pic is PS'd to remove the wire strut and extend the 'water' in the photo) I've also got a 'Lun' somewhere done the same way - I'll try and dig out the photos Ken PS - I also tried to tease out some cotton wool to make the spray - it nearly worked !!! Edited August 13, 2014 by Flankerman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdove Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Fantastic! I've always been totally intrigued by these left field examples of Soviet design thinking, thanks for this absorbing thread. TonyS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 simply stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordfunker Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That is just brilliant. Great looking build of a slightly surreal machine. Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Pure Thunderbirds! Graham My thoughts exactly,TB.1 at low level alongside would look fantastic. That KM is a beast,no wonder the thing was nicknamed a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spad Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Brilliant Ken and I love it on the base - very nice ATBRick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee'sDad Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 This is a thoroughly fascinating 'creature'... Saw a great YouTube video of one, amazed the engines didn't just snap off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subhunter Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hi Subhunter First I masked off the edges of the base, then slapped on some blue paint (those little match pots from DIY stores) - couple of different blues, maybe a touch of black etc - all totally random. I then masked off the white areas - and sprayed with a rattle can of Halfords White Primer. Then I got some blue cellophane and crumpled it up into a ball - then spread it out again and, using clear glue on top of the blue paint, stuck the cellophane down over it. The wrinkles in the cellophane give a rippled effect - with air pockets trapped under it giving some impressions of depth. I also re-sprayed the white on top of the cellophane to make it more dense. It all sounds a bit complicated - but its dead simple. Here's my 1/144 scale Revell A-90 done the same way.... (the last pic is PS'd to remove the wire strut and extend the 'water' in the photo) I've also got a 'Lun' somewhere done the same way - I'll try and dig out the photos Ken PS - I also tried to tease out some cotton wool to make the spray - it nearly worked !!! THANKS FOR THE GREAT FEED BACK will definitely give it a go - Nice touch to use cellophane - some fellows use foil as well but it does not give any depth ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Can't see any pics anywhere...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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