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Gannet AS.4 vs COD....


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Hi, I think you will find the cockpits on both types were very similar, as for underwing pods yes they area available in the FAA Models set which is stocked by A2zee Model. Modeldecals had a very nice decal sheet for the COD.

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Xtradecals also did a sheet which included COD4's. I think there's options for aircraft from Victorious and Hermes.

The HF (wire type) antenna changed during the life of the aircraft, there are two different configurations so I'd recommend studying as many photos of the aircraft you want to model as you can.

I've also wondered about the differences between the cockpits between AS and COD versions - nobody seems to be able to answer the question for sure. I'd expect to find that there were few if no differences between the pilot's cockpit of the two types, some but mostly minor differences between the observers cockpits but lots of differences between the radar operators/third cockpit. Here, I'd expect the redundant equipment racks and instruments to have been removed - I'd love to see photo's to verify it though.

It's unusual to see COD Gannets without the under-wing pods.

Regards

Wez

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What I've been able to work out so far:

Front pit- Gunsight removed, not much else different.

Middle pit- radar scopes etc removed, no sonobuoy, smoke flare or radome controls.

I would suspect the Nav stuff stayed.

Rear pit - Would be identical to the trainer ie no radar or sonobuoy displays

none of the associated black boxery. Additional seat(s) fitted

The little roundy windows in front of the canopy would be fitted.

HIH's

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I was on 849 NAS just before they left Culdrose for Brawdy, we had one in the hanger but I never got to crawl around on it. I was only involved on the T5's.

I don't even have any pics from my time on the squadron. Shame on me!

Colin

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How and where would the extra seating be placed in the rear cockpit? Do you know of any photos? Thanks...

the T5 maintenance manuals states "The rear cockpit is arranged for two occasional passengers

seated facing aft"

While the manual does not show the seats proper it does show the mounting spigots.

One is under the two port hole windows, the other is in the normal position.

The removal of the ASW black boxery gives room for feet but I would suspect it would be

a mite friendly in there!

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the T5 maintenance manuals states "The rear cockpit is arranged for two occasional passengers

seated facing aft"

While the manual does not show the seats proper it does show the mounting spigots.

One is under the two port hole windows, the other is in the normal position.

The removal of the ASW black boxery gives room for feet but I would suspect it would be

a mite friendly in there!

The question of Gannet COD internal arrangements comes up from time to time. I may even have asked it myself. As far as I can recall, this is the first bit of concrete information I've seen on the subject. Thank you.

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Can anyone go to the FAA Museum and see if they can have a look at one...?!

Thing is, Dave Fleming says the Gannet COD.4 is in the reserve collection. That is in a separate building which is open to the public about twice a year. And even then I'm not sure climbing over the exhibits to peer in through crazed canopies is encouraged.

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I've managed to get a long to a couple of the Cobham Hall (Yeovilton's reserve collection hangar) open days but you are still behind the "rope"

What you can do, if you ask nicely, is hang around when they close and then get "escorted" over the rope...

So, here's Yeovilton's COD

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And from the fire escape behind

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The front and middle and then rear cockpits from the ground

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And the rear from the fire escape

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I wasn't allowed to get in, but was able to push some steps up to the side, however this only really gave me access to the pilots cockpit, however I was able to reach and snap into the middle cockpit, hence, not great pics, more guess work and luck!!!

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Not the best picture in the world, but may be of some help...

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Looks like I guessed the center pit right, exactly the same as the AS-4 without the AS gear.

Rear pit only has one seat. The pics show the same big heavy seat back the AS version has.

Behind that (towards the front of the aircraft) is the radio gear and autopilot amp, no way they would have been removed

so even with the AS gear removed there would be no room for another seat.

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I think you will find the second rear seat is tucked well aft and not visible in any of the excellent pics post in this thread. Remember the COD version was something of an after thought so best was made of the situation at that time.

Colin @ the bottom of Africa

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I strongly doubt there is a second seat in there

This is the AS 4 looking foward, nothing in here would be removed for the COD version as

its all radio and autopilot.

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Looking aft

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Just about everything in there would go but there is a lot of structure around the racking. I do not believe that would be

easily removed. The structure remained in place in the T5 but that version did not have the larger seat back of the AS4. The front

of the two seats used the mounting points for that seat back to mount parts of the harness on.

Clear as mud!

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I don't think a second seat would fit either... maybe the second passenger sat on the lap of the other fellow...! I sure wish we could get something definitive out of this...

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Let me ask this.... in the ASW version... did the occupant of the rear most cockpit.... face forward or aft..? I've seen depictions of both...!

Most definitely facing aft.

There is nothing that requires operator attention behind the seat.

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