TME3 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 How are the cockpits of the standard ASW Gannet and the COD version different...? Also any external airframe changes other than the underwing cargo pods...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 How are the cockpits of the standard ASW Gannet and the COD version different...? Also any external airframe changes other than the underwing cargo pods...? Don't know about cockpits, but externally the radome was removed and there was an extra antennae wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Hi, I think you will find the cockpits on both types were very similar, as for underwing pods yes they area available in the FAA Models set which is stocked by A2zee Model. Modeldecals had a very nice decal sheet for the COD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) Xtradecals also did a sheet which included COD4's. I think there's options for aircraft from Victorious and Hermes. The HF (wire type) antenna changed during the life of the aircraft, there are two different configurations so I'd recommend studying as many photos of the aircraft you want to model as you can. I've also wondered about the differences between the cockpits between AS and COD versions - nobody seems to be able to answer the question for sure. I'd expect to find that there were few if no differences between the pilot's cockpit of the two types, some but mostly minor differences between the observers cockpits but lots of differences between the radar operators/third cockpit. Here, I'd expect the redundant equipment racks and instruments to have been removed - I'd love to see photo's to verify it though. It's unusual to see COD Gannets without the under-wing pods. Regards Wez Edited October 1, 2011 by Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomvixen Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 What I've been able to work out so far: Front pit- Gunsight removed, not much else different. Middle pit- radar scopes etc removed, no sonobuoy, smoke flare or radome controls. I would suspect the Nav stuff stayed. Rear pit - Would be identical to the trainer ie no radar or sonobuoy displays none of the associated black boxery. Additional seat(s) fitted The little roundy windows in front of the canopy would be fitted. HIH's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 How and where would the extra seating be placed in the rear cockpit? Do you know of any photos? Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) We really need someone to ask the FAA Museum nicely if they can photograph the interior of XA466 in their Reserve Collection! Edited September 28, 2011 by Dave Fleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I was on 849 NAS just before they left Culdrose for Brawdy, we had one in the hanger but I never got to crawl around on it. I was only involved on the T5's. I don't even have any pics from my time on the squadron. Shame on me! Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomvixen Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 How and where would the extra seating be placed in the rear cockpit? Do you know of any photos? Thanks... the T5 maintenance manuals states "The rear cockpit is arranged for two occasional passengers seated facing aft" While the manual does not show the seats proper it does show the mounting spigots. One is under the two port hole windows, the other is in the normal position. The removal of the ASW black boxery gives room for feet but I would suspect it would be a mite friendly in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 the T5 maintenance manuals states "The rear cockpit is arranged for two occasional passengersseated facing aft" While the manual does not show the seats proper it does show the mounting spigots. One is under the two port hole windows, the other is in the normal position. The removal of the ASW black boxery gives room for feet but I would suspect it would be a mite friendly in there! The question of Gannet COD internal arrangements comes up from time to time. I may even have asked it myself. As far as I can recall, this is the first bit of concrete information I've seen on the subject. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Lets not stop here... somewhere, someone.... knows the answers...! Can anyone go to the FAA Museum and see if they can have a look at one...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Can anyone go to the FAA Museum and see if they can have a look at one...?! Thing is, Dave Fleming says the Gannet COD.4 is in the reserve collection. That is in a separate building which is open to the public about twice a year. And even then I'm not sure climbing over the exhibits to peer in through crazed canopies is encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 I understand... but it can't hurt to ask... very nicely.... the worst that they can say is "no".... In fact, maybe someone at the museum has photos or can take them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm planning to make a dynavector COD at some point, and have also been looking for those interior photos... no luck yet. I found this post very useful for pointing out the external differences though, it might help? http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27623 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) I've managed to get a long to a couple of the Cobham Hall (Yeovilton's reserve collection hangar) open days but you are still behind the "rope" What you can do, if you ask nicely, is hang around when they close and then get "escorted" over the rope... So, here's Yeovilton's COD And from the fire escape behind The front and middle and then rear cockpits from the ground And the rear from the fire escape I wasn't allowed to get in, but was able to push some steps up to the side, however this only really gave me access to the pilots cockpit, however I was able to reach and snap into the middle cockpit, hence, not great pics, more guess work and luck!!! Not the best picture in the world, but may be of some help... Edited October 1, 2011 by OzH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomvixen Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Looks like I guessed the center pit right, exactly the same as the AS-4 without the AS gear. Rear pit only has one seat. The pics show the same big heavy seat back the AS version has. Behind that (towards the front of the aircraft) is the radio gear and autopilot amp, no way they would have been removed so even with the AS gear removed there would be no room for another seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Thses shots are great..! And I agree, there's no second seat in that rear cockpit... Thanks for posting the photos....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I think you will find the second rear seat is tucked well aft and not visible in any of the excellent pics post in this thread. Remember the COD version was something of an after thought so best was made of the situation at that time. Colin @ the bottom of Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Are you saying the second rear seat was aft (closer to the tail) than the one we see here..? Did it face forward then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomvixen Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I strongly doubt there is a second seat in there This is the AS 4 looking foward, nothing in here would be removed for the COD version as its all radio and autopilot. Looking aft Just about everything in there would go but there is a lot of structure around the racking. I do not believe that would be easily removed. The structure remained in place in the T5 but that version did not have the larger seat back of the AS4. The front of the two seats used the mounting points for that seat back to mount parts of the harness on. Clear as mud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 I don't think a second seat would fit either... maybe the second passenger sat on the lap of the other fellow...! I sure wish we could get something definitive out of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Let me ask this.... in the ASW version... did the occupant of the rear most cockpit.... face forward or aft..? I've seen depictions of both...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomvixen Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Let me ask this.... in the ASW version... did the occupant of the rear most cockpit.... face forward or aft..? I've seen depictions of both...! Most definitely facing aft. There is nothing that requires operator attention behind the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TME3 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 I thought so....! Just for fun look at the Trumpeter 72nd Gannet box top...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Thanks very much for posting those photos, OzH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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