Mark M Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 ive just seen the hasse seaking cheap but wernt Airfix ment to be doing one if so does anyone know when it will be here nad how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I thought they were doing the lynx? Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Lynx and Merlin, no Sea King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 doh yep your right, sorry chapps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddeathdrinker Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 And while we're on the subject of 1/48 Sea Kings, does anyone know if Revell are planning on reissueing theirs? Just seen how much Hannants are wanting for a Hasegawa HAR.3/SH-3 (£70+ !!!), although the AEW.2 is only £30??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Revell doesn't have a 1/48 Sea King. The only one there's ever been is the Hasegawa kit. If it said Revell on the box, it was just the Hasegawa kit (which isn't a Westland bird at all) in their box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheModeller Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 (edited) And while we're on the subject of 1/48 Sea Kings, does anyone know if Revell are planning on reissueing theirs? Just seen how much Hannants are wanting for a Hasegawa HAR.3/SH-3 (£70+ !!!), although the AEW.2 is only £30??? Jennings is right, the Revell kit was a re-pop of the Hasgawa kit, the AEW.2 was listed at 60-odd quid on release as I remember, obviously Hannants can't shift them at that price, if the HAR comes down to the same sort of price I'll have a couple! Of course I'm still at aloss as to why nobody has done a good Puma or Wessex yet, or a Gazelle for that matter! Edited September 24, 2011 by TheModeller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 There you go then, it goes to show that if you price your product too high eventually people will balk at it. Maybe Hannants should have said to Hasegawa that at Thirty Quid retail it wasn't going to sell and that they would not be stocking the Sea King. Hesegawa might have had a second take (me doubts that) and dropped the price, conversely they may have just kept the stock and waited. Who knows? If you look at Hasegawa's Sea King, it isn't rally a grate kit, yes it is a nice moulding but it's almost twenty years old. The cabin door is moulded in, there is no cabin interior detail, the kit has in that time only been offered in two options and neither of them offered 66 of the Apollo landings recover ship markings or an engine grey earlySH-3, which would have almost ensured it as a winner. what were Hasegawa thinking. I do hope they offered there own market a kit in JMSDF markings? If we continue to pay outrageous prices for 'new' kits, those that Hasegawa re-package and try to tell us are new, whilst we know they are not,we only have ourselves to blame. It may well be time to vote with our wallets and not purchase, there is nothing worse than a manufacturer with stock they can't sell. Yes maybe there will be a slow down in new releases but maybe eventually sense will prevail. Call me disgruntled, call me anti Hasegawa, no I'm anti high prices for old kits with new markings. Colin @ the bottom of Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Just a reminder - the only accurate and complete decals for SH-3D #66 of Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, and 13 fame are available in both 1/72 and 1/48 from: http://www.old66decals.com/ I happen to know the guy who did the artwork J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) There you go then, it goes to show that if you price your product too high eventually people will balk at it. Maybe Hannants should have said to Hasegawa that at Thirty Quid retail it wasn't going to sell and that they would not be stocking the Sea King. Hesegawa might have had a second take (me doubts that) and dropped the price, conversely they may have just kept the stock and waited. Who knows? As ever the presumption is that the Hasegawa set the UK (or any other) retail price - see other threads on this topic. As for them wanting to do a JMSDF version, why not? Japan is where the bulk of their sales will be, back un 1992 a 1/48 helo was a bit if a risk, offset by aiming at their most lucrative market. I would personally have preferred them to do a Westlands machine, but hey ho. Edited September 25, 2011 by Jonathan Mock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I'm fairly certain there is a limited edition boxing of the Hasegawa Sea King with JMSDF markings in my LMS. Also certain it's £74.99. Thus I'm certain I'll not be buying it Having already paid the £50 to get the AEW boxing and having been a little disappointed with the internal and external detail on the kit for that price I'm in no rush to add another to the stash at an even higher price. Now wondering if the fact Hannants are flogging them cheap means they will fetch silly money on Ebay and the such like in a few years time when no-one stocks them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I don't understand the economics of this hobby. Or any kind of economics come to that! lol. Why are kits getting more expensive when the market worldwide is getting poorer? It's a strange and dismal thing to me. Please note, I'm not asking for explanations as I doubt I'd understand anyway. No, I'm just having a whinge and a moan. I AM English after all - lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Oil, oil and oil. Affects every part if the process. At least Airfix and Revell are keeping the hobby affordable, morevsobfor the entry level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_hopkirk Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) There you go then, it goes to show that if you price your product too high eventually people will balk at it. Maybe Hannants should have said to Hasegawa that at Thirty Quid retail it wasn't going to sell and that they would not be stocking the Sea King. Hesegawa might have had a second take (me doubts that) and dropped the price, conversely they may have just kept the stock and waited. Who knows? Other than who sets the price and who is the target audience issues. Hannants have built a reputation that the modeller can buy pretty much anything produced in the scale model market from them - there is very little one can't get from them. I dare say this is a reputation they want to keep. If it's offered to them I venture they will always stock it, even if it's in modest quantities. Also they are a big enough organisation having some stock sitting around, unlike most hobby stores who need regular churn and can't stand much sitting on the shelf. I dare say they can also negotiate discounts from manufactures others can't. Realistically what ever they think of the RRP, they are not going to stop stocking an iconic brand such as Hasegawa. Marty... Edited September 25, 2011 by marty_hopkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Realistically what ever they think of the RRP, they are not going to stop stocking an iconic brand such as Hasegawa.Marty... Funny you say that, because rumour has it that they are selling off much of their stock of Hasegawa kits precisely because they have decided to only order what they have orders for, ie not to hold lots of stock of Hasegawa that won't shift. Same goes for my LHS - they've stopped buying new Hasegawa kits in unless someone orders it because they aren't selling, and they aren't selling because of the price, which is largely due to the monopoly power of the importers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I do hope they offered there own market a kit in JMSDF markings? I'm pretty sure they've done 3 different Japanese boxings in the last 18 months. Funny you say that, because rumour has it that they are selling off much of their stock of Hasegawa kits precisely because they have decided to only order what they have orders for, ie not to hold lots of stock of Hasegawa that won't shift. That is bollo*ks. Hannants periodically sell off Hasegawa and others at 1/3 off just to clear down lines they have an excess of. Once it gets down to a more reasonable stock level it goes back to full price. They've been doing it for years, it's standard retail practice. And you don't have to take my word for it, David Hannant said this yesterday over on HS on the subject of stocking full ranges... If we stock a range, and we do stock most of them, we stock the whole range, we do not cherry pick, so if it appears, it is available and if it doesn't, then it isn't. You are very welcome to look without being under any obligation to buy, although we won't mind if you do. The AEW is a limited edition boxing, they're having trouble shifting them now but there will come a time when they're all gone. And then the the silly money fights on ebay will start. So the same old rule applies, if you want one, buy it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_hopkirk Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Funny you say that, because rumour has it that they are selling off much of their stock of Hasegawa kits precisely because they have decided to only order what they have orders for, ie not to hold lots of stock of Hasegawa that won't shift. Same goes for my LHS - they've stopped buying new Hasegawa kits in unless someone orders it because they aren't selling, and they aren't selling because of the price, which is largely due to the monopoly power of the importers. Quite, but that's entirely different from not stocking the range at all. With Hannants client base there will always be a number of people that will order these kits, perhaps not in the numbers they did in the past and the volume they order for stock may reduce. But, I venture they will still carry the line. As you say all supposition. Marty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 That is bollo*ks. Hannants periodically sell off Hasegawa and others at 1/3 off just to clear down lines they have an excess of. Once it gets down to a more reasonable stock level it goes back to full price. They've been doing it for years, it's standard retail practice. And you don't have to take my word for it, David Hannant said this yesterday over on HS on the subject of stocking full ranges... Quite, but that's entirely different from not stocking the range at all. With Hannants client base there will always be a number of people that will order these kits, perhaps not in the numbers they did in the past and the volume they order for stock may reduce. But, I venture they will still carry the line. Hannants not stocking Hasegawa, is a bit like saying you can't have fish with chips.Marty... Mostly likely true with regard to Hannants (I said I'd heard it, not that I believed it), however smaller retailers are very likely to stop stocking Hasegawa due to the prices. My LHS is a fairly large one and they've said they will stop stocking it as they just can't shift it at the prices the importers are charging. As far as the AEW.2 goes, I picked one up from HLJ for less than £30 delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) I don't understand the economics of this hobby. Or any kind of economics come to that! lol. Why are kits getting more expensive when the market worldwide is getting poorer? It's a strange and dismal thing to me. One could say the same thing about food, clothing, fuel, and many other things these days. It's something we (anyone under about age 80) have never experienced on this scale before. And I feel pretty certain that it's going to get a whole lot worse before (if ever) it starts to get better. Edited September 25, 2011 by Jennings Heilig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Hi Guy's, As of earlier this year the local importer of Hasegawa has already dropped them. Due in part to the high prices but also the numbers of each kit he was expected to purchase. Apart form the Sea King of which I purchased the US Navy VIP version, the only other Hasegawa kit I purchased was the F-104 Starfighter with the NASA markings. Colin @ the bottom of Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallicus Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I just cant justify paying £60-70+ for a Hasegawa kit when I know I can pay as little as £15-25 for same model from another company ie Revell, Academy. Sure the molds might not be as good or as accurate but sometimes even that is debatable. When they have the monopoly like they do on 1/48 Seakings have I little choice but to pay the asking price if I want one. Cheers Brenden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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