Airfix Vulcan

[robvulcan]

its a great kit ive built many and always enjoy the kit the old mold and the new ones i have found to be both good and bad i have found new release ones to just go together really well and other new rerlease ones that have been stored badly and the parts have warped. the older ones are generaly thought to fit better in my expiriance ive bought old kits were the molds were missing part of the wing or exaust. but generaly good, the worst i had was a new release kit that came with 2 sprues the same and the other sprue missing and had to be exchanged. ive build 14 so far and the new boxing is fine just make sure that its not been warped and kept next to a radiator. the only trouble i can find with the new ones is the intake sink marks but this is easily rectified with milliput wet sculpted, heres a few of my attempts good luck with your build

[Dave Fleming]

Well at the risk of being seen to defend the old girl again I'd say it is pretty clear - both ends of the market would appear to be being served (cheap entry level kits through to more enthusiast oriented subjects),

I've said before, but compare to Hornby's railway models where they operate in a very similar manner.

Then you get the new P-40B and the forthcoming Gnat - cheap kits but equally appealling to the enthusiast market as well.

With Airfix you are really dealing with two time streams - Airfix as a current company only really exist from the Hornby take over (Just under 5 years) and it's only in the last 18 months or so that we have begun to see really where Hornby are taking the brand (Most of the 'new' products prior to that have been a product of the previous management or bought in). On top of that you have the 'legacy' products, which they would be mad not to exploit. Will we see a new Vulcan someday? Who knows? Did anyone expect a new Gnat?

Edited October 4, 2011 by Dave Fleming

[Giorgio N]

yeah but what about people who get their fun crucifying kits and pointing out inaccuracies without actually building anything? Who's thinking about them in this quest for perfection?

In fact... are they actually modellers? Discuss!

How do we know if these people actually build models or not ? I know a few great modellers who take part in discussions but never post anything of their builds (unfortunately), couldn't be the same for others ? So maybe before saying to someone "you never actually build anything" we should check if this is true or not.

In my experience most people both here and in other forums who dissect kits and point out inaccuracies do so because they love the subject and would like to see this reproduced as correctly as possible. I have yet to find one who does that for the pure fun of it (apart maybe from a certain character....). I consider myself as a modeller who has no problem in pointing out errors when and if he finds them... do you think it's fun ? It is not ! It is annoying to say the least and often downright frustrating because it means that I have bought a kit with my hard earned money with the intention of building a decently accurate replica and I find myself with a kit that will require some degree of modifications to achieve a decent accuracy. Modifications that will need time that I'd rather spend on adding extra details or painting or watching the telly. I would love to be able to tell of all the kits I bought "it's a very good and accurate kit of the xxyzzy yyxxyyzz" ! In the end it's all about wanting better products. And we have better products today than we used to have years ago

[AnonymousAA72]

Its all been said before, and it will all be said again......but FWIW my take is this: Airfix (or any other kit manufacturer for that matter ) came to be to make money and their market initially was children. The "hobby" was never intended for middle aged (or any aged for that matter!) aircraft enthusiasts - it evolved that way. How many "Adults" out there still perceive our hobby as odd? "What you build Airfix kits do you? Do you paint them as well.........do you add the stickers...my little brother used to build them...blah - blah - blah!!!"

Today Airfix (and the other main stream manufacturers) exists for very much the same market - though a market scaled down compared to my youth. So, we few on here can bang on as much as we like about the accuracy or quality of a kit, but the fact remains that as some of us rivet counters are firmly in a minority of a larger minority of enthusiast. In that respect if Aifix, or any other manufacturer issue an accurate kit , or of a subject we have always wanted SHOULD be a bonus.

IF not well thats what Milliput and Wet n'dry is for!!!!!

Edited October 4, 2011 by Bill Clark

[sloegin57]

Its all been said before, and it will all be said again......but FWIW my take is this: Airfix (or any other kit manufacturer for that matter ) came to be to make money and their market initially was children. The "hobby" was never intended for middle aged (or any aged for that matter!) aircraft enthusiasts - it evolved that way. How many "Adults" out there still perceive our hobby as odd? "What you build Airfix kits do you? Do you paint them as well.........do you add the stickers...my little brother used to build them...blah - blah - blah!!!"

Today Airfix (and the other main stream manufacturers) exists for very much the same market - though a market scaled down compared to my youth. So, we few on here can bang on as much as we like about the accuracy or quality of a kit, but the fact remains that as some of us rivet counters are firmly in a minority of a larger minority of enthusiast. In that respect if Aifix, or any other manufacturer issue an accurate kit , or of a subject we have always wanted SHOULD be a bonus.

IF not well thats what Milliput and Wet n'dry is for!!!!!

Agreed !!

In summary therefore:-

It's a 1/72nd kit of a Vulcan

We are all modellers are we not ?

Is there a problem ?

DR

[Alan P]

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Edited October 4, 2011 by PHaTNesS

[Alan P]

Its all been said before, and it will all be said again......but FWIW my take is this: Airfix (or any other kit manufacturer for that matter ) came to be to make money and their market initially was children. The "hobby" was never intended for middle aged (or any aged for that matter!) aircraft enthusiasts - it evolved that way. How many "Adults" out there still perceive our hobby as odd? "What you build Airfix kits do you? Do you paint them as well.........do you add the stickers...my little brother used to build them...blah - blah - blah!!!"

Today Airfix (and the other main stream manufacturers) exists for very much the same market - though a market scaled down compared to my youth. So, we few on here can bang on as much as we like about the accuracy or quality of a kit, but the fact remains that as some of us rivet counters are firmly in a minority of a larger minority of enthusiast. In that respect if Aifix, or any other manufacturer issue an accurate kit , or of a subject we have always wanted SHOULD be a bonus.

IF not well thats what Milliput and Wet n'dry is for!!!!!

beautiful.

[Darby]

My current daily tranport was built in 1972, it will shortly be replaced by one built in 1961.

No electric windows for me, and I'm currently 'enjoying' a Roden He-111 more than many of the easier kits I've built.

While I'd be happy to see a state-of-the-art Vulcan, I feel there are other subjects which more urgently need the investment.

Cheers,

Bill.

Mine used to be a 1965 1200 with Webasto roof , followed by a 1959 948 saloon, reengined to 1200. 7 hours London to Plymouth every weekend. No seatbelts, drum brakes single speed wipers. Now have a 'sensible' car. More's the pity.

[robvulcan]

well im 27 and of my age group i dont know many that were into hobbies such as model making and model railways, most my generation are only interested in consoles drugs and football none of which interests me, my step dad and uncles and grandads and dad got me into the hobby but particularly my step dad and uncle in aviation particularly vulcans victors valiants sperin gnat vampire venom canberra hunter etc... im a guitar teacher now i used to wonder and worry that the hobby would die off by the time i was about 40 and leave me with nothing to satisfy the plastic addiction, however i can confirm that i have stumbled across many a pupil of guitar of all ages but particularly the 8 to 15 year olds are into model making and particularly the vulcan. which suprised me, indeed i know a few who have parents in thier 30s a bit older than me who have taken them to see the vulcan and they have bought vulcan kits and others i had noticed in the lata half of this decade and increase in interest in the hobby from older people taking it back up to the younger ones i mention it leaves me with real hope that the models we wanted will be realised its the same way with model trains, like we would not have thought we would get a valiant, a gnat, a tsr2, a sea vixen, etc train fans would never have thought they would see metrovic co-bo locos released or the lms 1000 and 1001 locos released, also livery variants and detail variants, i certainly didnt, think the companies are realising that in this age of the internet people are able to express thier interest and desires more making them realise that people actually really do want to by these models, how would they have know in the past. plus the technology makes it easier to produce these models id imagine. the only danger i see is the world economy, but all i can say is what my dear nan used to sing to me, "whatever will be will be the future is not ours to see" and with the suprised we have had nothing would suprise me and due to the vulcans popularity i really think it is highly likely that at some point in the next decade we will have a new vulcan kit. if we are offered a new gnat which i am very happy about and if we are offered a valiant a vulcan and a victor must be on the cards, judging by how hornby has pleased thier train fans with all new retooled a4 mallard a3 scotsman and other sister class locos and duchess locos you could argue to the british market the v force is the flyingscotsman and mallard of the plane world to us hornby knows what patriotic british people want in trains im sure they will deliver with the raf kits. after all if they are still selling the old vulcan kit constantly over 30 years then it must be asumed that a new kit would be popular and deserves both variants to be offered, like we get differnt canberra kits. i imagine they will give us an argosy too one day and i hope they do. sit back have a cup of tea and im sure the next few years will see hornby airfix make alot of us very happy. they give us the nimrod too they certainly are answering alot of my prayers and thanks very much airfix/hornby you have done us proud.

[Mike]

Prize goes to Rob for the longest paragraph I've seen on this forum

[robvulcan]

Prize goes to Rob for the longest paragraph I've seen on this forum

eye i do waffle on trouble is i get distracted by people when in the middle of posting, and as im dyslexic i somtimes dont bother to check through what ive written as half the time i think who cares what i think anyhow.

and while were at it has anyone got any good dyslexic jokes as i would love to hear them i noticed there was a few on the forum here i love them very funny, not being sarcastic they are funny.

does anyone else ever put a long post on here and then afterwards take a deep breath and think what i done all that for. jeeese

[Toe]

Got to admit I haven't read the post, not being broken up makes it in my eyes harder to read. Certainly not commenting on the content or the grammar, it's just harder to read if you don't space it out with paragraphs etc...

[robvulcan]

Got to admit I haven't read the post, not being broken up makes it in my eyes harder to read. Certainly not commenting on the content or the grammar, it's just harder to read if you don't space it out with paragraphs etc...

thats something ill take note of in future im very lazy with the old typing.

Edited October 5, 2011 by robvulcan

[miduppergunner]

Take no notice Rob - a nice positive observation - and you are in good company - some of the ancient Greek classics originally went on for ever as one paragraph and so you are in very good company.

[robvulcan]

Take no notice Rob - a nice positive observation - and you are in good company - some of the ancient Greek classics originally went on for ever as one paragraph and so you are in very good company.

thanks alot i used to have conversations with my teachers, they would say "look you have spelt this word wrong and that word wrong" and i would reply "did you understand the sentence i have written" she replied "yes" i said "well i communicated effectively so no problem" saying that i prefer well written english i like slang but the new age text speak i cant understand.

[It'sAllGoneHorriblyWrong]

Prize goes to Rob for the longest paragraph I've seen on this forum

It's not a paragraph, it's a stream of consciousness! Wiki linky

Quite right too, Rob. I'm building the new P-40 as we speak and am definitely getting my six quid's worth.

I couldn't be bothered to read the whole topic, so I don't know if anyone else has picked this up, but for me the real shocker is at the end of the list. Only 2 flying hours on a box this size!? How tight is that?

Andy

[Skii]

Its all been said before, and it will all be said again......but FWIW my take is this: Airfix (or any other kit manufacturer for that matter ) came to be to make money and their market initially was children. The "hobby" was never intended for middle aged (or any aged for that matter!) aircraft enthusiasts - it evolved that way. How many "Adults" out there still perceive our hobby as odd? "What you build Airfix kits do you? Do you paint them as well.........do you add the stickers...my little brother used to build them...blah - blah - blah!!!"

Today Airfix (and the other main stream manufacturers) exists for very much the same market - though a market scaled down compared to my youth. So, we few on here can bang on as much as we like about the accuracy or quality of a kit, but the fact remains that as some of us rivet counters are firmly in a minority of a larger minority of enthusiast. In that respect if Aifix, or any other manufacturer issue an accurate kit , or of a subject we have always wanted SHOULD be a bonus.

IF not well thats what Milliput and Wet n'dry is for!!!!!

Very well said Bill - hard to argue against any of that.

[robvulcan]

It's not a paragraph, it's a stream of consciousness! Wiki linky

Quite right too, Rob. I'm building the new P-40 as we speak and am definitely getting my six quid's worth.

I couldn't be bothered to read the whole topic, so I don't know if anyone else has picked this up, but for me the real shocker is at the end of the list. Only 2 flying hours on a box this size!? How tight is that?

Andy

thanks andy to be honest i didnt read it all either and yes a stream of conciousness it is i tend to write thinks out hearing my own voice in my head like a conversation so it tends to flow out in paragraph.

now im trying to remember to paragraph.

but anyway.

i remember a new paragraph is the start of a new subject or topic thats what we were taught.

so.

flying hours to be honest i have never bothered to use them i dont know what they are for i thought that was something that had died off in my child hood. i still got a few boxes should i got and get them off.

totaly overlooked these.

cheers rob

[It'sAllGoneHorriblyWrong]

... should i got and get them off...

Depends how many Airfix kits you have/have built/want to build and whether you can be bothered to join the Airfix Club - Airfix Club Flying Hours details

My son asked for a subscription to the club for his birthday a couple of years ago and it didn't take all that long to save up for the 1/72 Buccaneer.

Of course, if you don't want them you could always pass them on to me to a good friend ...

Cheers

Andy

Edited October 7, 2011 by It'sAllGoneHorriblyWrong

[robvulcan]

Depends how many Airfix kits you have/have built/want to build and whether you can be bothered to join the Airfix Club - Airfix Club Flying Hours details

My son asked for a subscription to the club for his birthday a couple of years ago and it didn't take all that long to save up for the 1/72 Buccaneer.

Of course, if you don't want them you could always pass them on to me to a good friend ...

Cheers

Andy

cool well ill have a look into it and see what its all about . and if i dont want them you can have them. though there is not that many so dont get to excited.

[kev67]

My eyes hurt

[robvulcan]

My eyes hurt

what from.

[Jennings Heilig]

So back to the topic at hand.... how come we have a set of custom PE panel scribing templates for the Heller Mirage IV but not for the Airfix Vulcan???!!??? If ever there was an airplane that begged for such a product, I'd say the big wide expanses of the Vulcan's wing/fuselage is it!

I'm up for doing the artwork if someone knows a manufacturer willing to take it on. Actually, it wouldn't even need to be that huge, since the majority of the lines are straight. But all the access panels on the belly, etc would benefit from some PE scribing template help.

J

[plimsol]

Prize goes to Rob for the longest paragraph I've seen on this forum

A prize for mike, I fell over laughing

[robvulcan]

A prize for mike, I fell over laughing

i agree it was funny.

So back to the topic at hand.... how come we have a set of custom PE panel scribing templates for the Heller Mirage IV but not for the Airfix Vulcan???!!??? If ever there was an airplane that begged for such a product, I'd say the big wide expanses of the Vulcan's wing/fuselage is it!

I'm up for doing the artwork if someone knows a manufacturer willing to take it on. Actually, it wouldn't even need to be that huge, since the majority of the lines are straight. But all the access panels on the belly, etc would benefit from some PE scribing template help.

J

id buy that for sure. i hope you can get them manufactured