Speckled Jim Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Okay I need clarity, I have at home stashed away from public view, a Desert Eagle BB-rifle of a Heckler & Koch G36, the M41, bought well before 2007 its in the old black format with red nozzle. It definitely for BB bullets as it says its for the 6mm pellets on the side. Obviously laws have changed long gone the days of my child hood where boys from 7-12 ran around the street with black and red pistols and machine guns decked out in either real DPM's or thoose cheap knock off ones you find in a HM Armed Forces Toy set.... Man I miss those days to fighting for control of my and my friends house, I always was a colonel...Anyways I digress. Now 2007 was 5 years ago and this was bought before then I highly dout we have the recipt or other proof of purchase, but how should I go about informing the authorities, do I need to inform them and if I wish to dispose it would it be a case of crack it over my knee and into the bin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger2 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Okay I need clarity,I have at home stashed away from public view, a Desert Eagle BB-rifle of a Heckler & Koch G36, the M41, bought well before 2007 its in the old black format with red nozzle. It definitely for BB bullets as it says its for the 6mm pellets on the side. Obviously laws have changed long gone the days of my child hood where boys from 7-12 ran around the street with black and red pistols and machine guns decked out in either real DPM's or thoose cheap knock off ones you find in a HM Armed Forces Toy set.... Man I miss those days to fighting for control of my and my friends house, I always was a colonel...Anyways I digress. Now 2007 was 5 years ago and this was bought before then I highly dout we have the recipt or other proof of purchase, but how should I go about informing the authorities, do I need to inform them and if I wish to dispose it would it be a case of crack it over my knee and into the bin? Hi Mate, It's nothing but a toy at the end of the day,so you might as well leave things as they have lain for the last years or so,especially if it has a red nozzle on the end,which denotes toy to everyone. I have let my lad keep all of his "BB" weopons and told him to keep them in his shed down the garden,and he has a arsenal of "BB" guns,MP-5,M-16 two different types,M1911 PISTOL,BARRETTA PISTOL,and another assult rifle i can't tell you what though,he also has two decomisioned hand grenades,the way i see it,these items never leave our premises and they have no pellets so they are nobodies buisness but ours,so whats the harm,we ain't useing them for anything illegal,when my sons mates come around they they have an imaginary war in the back garden with them,and thats about it,i preffer water pistols myself. SMUDGER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The VCRA makes it an offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation firearms but not to buy or own them if you are over 18. So possession of these items is not an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 is it true swords aslo got banned ????????????????? ive got a set of samuri but dont see them any more either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstore Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 So, how does it work if you go abroad, and buy a soft air gun? Or order it from abroad? If it is inside the European Community, they are not allowed to check the packages or search your luggage? So having laws that contradicts others inside the community seem to be a big waste of time and resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 So, how does it work if you go abroad, and buy a soft air gun? Or order it from abroad? If it is inside the European Community, they are not allowed to check the packages or search your luggage?So having laws that contradicts others inside the community seem to be a big waste of time and resources. having worked at lhr on bagage screening a firearm on the xray machine allways brighted our day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstore Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 having worked at lhr on bagage screening a firearm on the xray machine allways brighted our day Do you scan european parcel traffic for plastic toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 how do u know its plastic????????????? ALLWAYS stop and check we caught the german pistol shooting team with guns in luggage instead of in steel locked cases Do you scan european parcel traffic for plastic toys? what happens to parcels i dunno i only did passenger but nothing goes on a plane without being checked x ray or hand check EVERYTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstore Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) how do u know its plastic????????????? ALLWAYS stop and check we caught the german pistol shooting team with guns in luggage instead of in steel locked cases what happens to parcels i dunno i only did passenger but nothing goes on a plane without being checked x ray or hand check EVERYTHING I was more thinking of people travelling by car or train inside the European Community. Airports are different today, because of the hijacking and terrorist threat. But for checking your car, luggage or post inside the EU, the authorities must have a good reason. I have no idea on how it works in the UK, but at least here, a policeman can't demand to check your personal belongings without very good reasons. The reason for my comment was mostly because I find it extremly irritating that lawmakers in countries all over europe make laws that restricts freedom for normal lawabiding citizens, while still keeping loopholes ready to exploit by criminals at will. And to have differing laws inside the community makes it even worse. I understand that it might make work harder for the police if a lot of kids and teenagers run around with toys that looks like real guns. But somehow I don't remembering it as a huge problem when I was a kid, and the toyguns where just about as good as these ones. I even owned a couple of the LS guns as a teen, and knew lot of others that did as well. Most of us owned real air rifles as well, and very few accidents or injuries where heard of. So, wouldn't it be better to make the law about carrying them in public, or something like that, instead of banning them completly? Edited January 1, 2012 by denstore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 on a coach tour of itlay we were never stopped or had luggage schecked so as long as you dont flash it around you be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 According to the home office when the VCRA was going through parliament there were about 3650 crimes involving imitation firearms the previous year. This figure included over 1000 cases of importing forward venting blank firers which were illegal since 1988 and every case where someone was threatened with a firearm that was not fired at the scene of the crime or recovered by the police! The home office also said that the average number of imitation firearms sold in a year was 350,000 and there were about 12,000,000 in circulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout556 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Hi Guys, Hello from a Newbie to your Forum. I just realised I have to many hobbies and not enough time. Further to this topic of L&S Scale models I've posted this thread on another forum : http://www.shootforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=27557&start=15 I'm hoping to find someone that might be interested in these L&S models or being able to point me in the right direction. Does anyone know the value of these? Is it worth selling or should we just keep this up in the loft for the grand kids one day? Thanking you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstore Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I would say that it depends on the shape of the kits. If they are built up, in good condition, someone might be interested, but it will probably not bring in a lot of money. Mint, unbuilt kits, in their original boxes would probably bring in a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Agree with Denstore: unbuilt kits are worth something that is easier to define (Ebay and so on), built kits can vary from a lot (if the buyer is a collector and the model is built to a certain standard) to nothing (if the model is damaged). It's hard to tell how much these could be worth. IMHO for the rifles getting more than £50 each would be very difficult, and this if you can find a collector who wants an LS kit. Anyone who just wants an M16 replica would likely spend the money differently Edited July 22, 2013 by Giorgio N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 As you can only sell to people who can qualify under the exemption in the VCR act, this limits your market to drama companies and reenactor society members. The fragility of the models has a limited market for these people, who really need more durable replicas. So the sale value would not be very high and you have to assertain(this would need checking membership records, taking there word would not be good enough) that the purchaser is such a person would make selling them time consuming. You can give them away or swap them for other items without breaching the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Technicaly you can "two tone" them. Paint more than 50% of the visible surface in a bright flourescent colour and it becomes an IF instead of a RIF. If someone strips the paint off or repaints though, they are guilty of "manufacturing". The irony of the VCRA is that between the Bill and the Act, crimes with replica guns fell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturmovik30 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 we couldnt sell enough of those in beatties lewisham back in the day,very hard to find nowdays though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1fuN0 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The thing I find funny, is that it's iffy to own replica firearms, and you certainly can't show the neighbor in the front garden your new replica M16, but it is legal to own a paint ball gun that can put a paintball through a door. Here in SA, it's legal to own Firearms, and I have a Winchester Pump Action, I go shooting (targets) every couple weeks. But if the fuzz stop you with a paint ball gun, especially if loaded, you get a hells load of grief, (They are supposed to be transported with the canister and ammo removed.) Still have my replica MP5 though, that's a few years old. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I have an L&S Kentucky Musket. About 3 years ago it got me a visit by the local plods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDragon Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I was bidding on ebay last year for two unbuilt LS kits of the .44 Magnum Smith & Wesson and a .45 Colt 1911A1 but gave up when they climbed over £70 each! Both went for over £200 each. We really do live in a stupid country! I've totally given up now, every time I saved up enough money to start some form of shooting as a hobby some moron went loopy with what I was going to buy! I am NOT going to try pea shooters or blow darts so maybe that won't get banned! Paul Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Try airsoft. Its one of the exemptions to the owning of realistic imitation firearms. You can start by renting a gun from a site before you qualify to buy one(played 3 times in not less than 2 months and a member of that site). It works out cheaper and less painful than paintball. Check the link below for a site near you - http://www.airsoftmap.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I used have their S&W Model 29,(the .44 magnum), the Walther P-38, Luger Artillery, M-16 and the Colt .45 Commander. All I have left now is this: take a screenshot printscreen how to take a screen shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Try airsoft. Its one of the exemptions to the owning of realistic imitation firearms. You can start by renting a gun from a site before you qualify to buy one(played 3 times in not less than 2 months and a member of that site). It works out cheaper and less painful than paintball. Check the link below for a site near you - http://www.airsoftmap.co.uk/ Ends up getting expensive though... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Ends up getting expensive though... Nice collection you have ! Yes, Airsoft can become addictive and therefore expensive. And with certain subjects it can be more expensive to collect ASGs than the real guns (where you can buy them at least). I saw a beautiful airsoft Mosin Nagant being sold in shops for 4-5 times a good functioning real one and other WW2 subjects are the same. In other cases it's easier to find the real gun than the ASG one: I can find plenty of real L1A1 for sale in Italy but finding an Airsoft one has become impossible, those who have one don't seem interested in selling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CockneyCol Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I love Airsoft, used to go at least once a month, really good fun, however my Wife simply can't stand it, so after a while I gave up, sold most of my kit...sad really, nothing like sitting in a bush and shooting people in the head! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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