Eduard's 1/48 Tempest to be reedited latter this year

[Antoine]

Every year at the same time, eduard do a mid-year situation point, and give us a quick look at what we could hope for before the end of the year.

And this is what they've said in early june:

F6F-3 1/72 ProfiPack

MiG-29A Limited Edition

MiG-21MF 1/48 Weekend Edition

TEMPEST Mk. V. 1/48 Limited Edition

Spad XIII EARLY 1/48 ProfiPack

F6F-3 HELLCAT 1/72 Weekend Editio

MiG-29UB 1/48 Limited Edition

F6F-5 HELLCAT 1/72 ProfiPack

MiG-21SMT 1/48 Weekend Edition

MiG-15 1/72 ProfiPack

MiG-21MF CZECH AIR FORCE 1/48 Limited Edition

Fw 190F-8 1/48 Weekend Edition

To my knowledge, most where expected, but the Tempest and the MiG-29UB where not.

Very nice surprise!

[ROGERD]

Every year at the same time, eduard do a mid-year situation point, and give us a quick look at what we could hope for before the end of the year.

And this is what they've said in early june:

To my knowledge, most where expected, but the Tempest and the MiG-29UB where not.

Very nice surprise!

the mig29 seems interseting, wondering if its a reboxing of someone elses kit with extras.

if it is a new tool and and as good as the mig 21, s then I will be up for a couple

Rogerd

[Jennings Heilig]

the mig29 seems interseting, wondering if its a reboxing of someone elses kit with extras.

if it is a new tool and and as good as the mig 21, s then I will be up for a couple

It's the Academy kit. Trust me, Eduard are *not* doing a new tool MiG-29 without telling anyone about it. They've had their hands more than full with the MiG-21 for several years.

[Work In Progress]

I wonder if they have done anything about the grosser errors of the Tempest kit? Surely they're not re-releasing it as it was...

[Troy Smith]

I wonder if they have done anything about the grosser errors of the Tempest kit? Surely they're not re-releasing it as it was...

why not? I mean, Eduard are not dumb, the kit usually sells for £20 plus on ebay, so there is demand, and there is no other option. [the AMT kit is not an option believe me]

If the new kit has a decent set of wheels [even the profipack wheels are crap] and added etch/detail for the wheel wells [missing from any aftermarket I know of] will help.

the other gross errors are fixable with modelling skill and/or aftermarket.

The biggest visual fixes, the too thick fin and too thick wing are not really that hard to do, and do not need aftermarket,

I'm going to post a 'how to' when I get chance.

you do need to thin the trailing edges on the wing and tail planes too.

The short fuselage is harder to fix, but less instantly noticeable, and it's not like there are other Tempests about to compare it too.

Hopefully it will be worth someone stocking the excellent Jaguar upgrade set.

http://www.rollmodels.net/ninbox/details/j...guartempest.htm

A to Zee do a new tail and wheels set as well.

http://www.a2zeemodels.co.uk/hawker-tempest-tail-set-1-p.asp

Finally it depends on what they try to sell it for..... and with the fixes it will make accurate Tempest.

But an upgraded one would be great...

cheers

T

[Troy Smith]

whoops

meant to add this to the above...but can't delete this post...so

As for Eduard Tempest, and they should have looked at EJ693 and this shot.....

certainly I used it for a guide to remodelling the fin....

for anyone who is going to do the kit, the trick is the fin fillet is essentially triangular in section, narrow at the front and the base of the triangle at full fin width, the first vertical panel line of the fin, with flat sides, shown well above where fin meets fuselage.

The fillet was added to the earlier typhoon like tail, and is very simple. But the above is the best shot I found showing this.

Don't forget to add plastic card backing inside the fin before you start thinning, I used 30 thou on each side. a

I have not gone through the kit plastic but it's pretty thin now!

The old 1/72 Heller kit catches this detail well.

HTH

T

here's a good pic of the front of the Tempest fin, and notes on fixing the Eduard fin.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...st&p=770622

HTH

T

Edited June 6, 2011 by Troy Smith

[Antoine]

Thanks for your precisions.

[Work In Progress]

As for Eduard Tempest, and they should have looked at EJ693 and this shot.....

What I did on my two was saw off the back of the Eduard fuselage and graft on a Monogram Typhoon back end at the transport join before adding the fin fillet.

As others have pointed out even Veeday and Merlin kits sell for lots of money on eBay but you only need two anxious buyers to make that happen, and it doesn't mean that a dog like the Tempest would work well if re-released in commercial numbers.

Eduard re-did their 1/48 Albatros DV from 1994 into a new and much better kit in 2003 so I hope they will continue by tooling a new kit for this significant type.

[Troy Smith]

What I did on my two was saw off the back of the Eduard fuselage and graft on a Monogram Typhoon back end at the transport join before adding the fin fillet.

Transport joint? as in just in front of the fin? If so WHY?

Wow, this just makes for A LOT more work than you need. I'll explain.

For anyone without the two kits, the Monogram Typhoon, while nicely accurate, has raised panel lines, and no retractable tail wheel, and the fin shape will still need a fillet adding on, and the grafting into the Eduard fuselage, plus all the messing about blending in and the tailplane mountings are smaller..not to mention writing off a couple of Typhoon kits in the process. [the Tempest and Typhoon share the same rear fuselage for any casual readers]

And IF you can do that kind of plastic surgery! .... Then my suggested fix is a breeze...

All you need to do is back the inside of the fin, and then file/carve and sand to the relevant shape.

[shown in the pic above of the real thing, this the best pic of this, but there are loads of Tempest pics on the Tempest site here http://www.hawkertempest.se/WalkArounds.htm]

I have seen a suggestion to cut away the fillet and then build up with filler, but again, a harder way to solve the problem, as there is enough material to reshape quite happily.

But if by transport joint, you mean just behind the cockpit, to correct the scale 8" shortness [ie 1/6th inch or approx 4.5mm on model] ....then it's still an awful lot of work when you could just get a correcting rear fuselage from A2Zee, or use the Jaguar kit spacers, or just extend it with plastic card and filler...

And if you do graft on the entire Monogram Typhoon rear fuselage you still have to blend it in, rescribe the rear fuselage, widen the tailplanes fillet and add the fin fillet, cut out the tailwheel doors, remove the moulded on fishplate reinforcements..... which is still a lot more work than modifying the existing fuselage!

Work In Progress, if this worked for you that's great, but for anyone who has the old kit, it's a lot more work than you need to do.

bear in mind I'm pedantic but lazy, and what i suggest should take about an hour to do after the glued in backing plastic card has dried.

The Jaguar extensions are easy to use, cut carefully, glue in with CA, fill and blend as needed.

I don't have the A2Zee correction set so can't comment.

Fixing the wing took a couple of hours, but that included thinning the trailing edges as well.

I'm stuck on detailing the wheel well if anyone wants to know my current problem with the kit, and that just requires more staring at walkround pics and working out at what level to stop, and how to replicate the wheel up locks. In the link above, look at the LA607 walkround pics, compared to the Hendon planes seeem to hvae a lot of the pipes and wires missing for anyone interested.

As others have pointed out even Veeday and Merlin kits sell for lots of money on eBay but you only need two anxious buyers to make that happen, and it doesn't mean that a dog like the Tempest would work well if re-released in commercial numbers.

Eduard re-did their 1/48 Albatros DV from 1994 into a new and much better kit in 2003 so I hope they will continue by tooling a new kit for this significant type.

I would be happy with a retooled Tempest (actully I'd be a bit cheesed off as i have the old one] but the kit consistently sells for good money on ebay, and with some work makes a good Tempest.

For anyone whose want a comparison, it's about as much work/new bits as needed to bring the 1/48 Airfix Spitfire MkI up to accuracy, or less than bringing the hasegawa Spit XI or Tamiya Spifire I/V up to accuracy. [both of these need new fuselages to be accurate and the hase IX needs a new spinner as well]

And I see plenty of builds of the Tamiya and Hase Spitfire kits without these corrections.

To sum up, for the less pedantic modeller, if you do one thing to make a visual impact on the Eduard Tempest, thin the fin fillet.

After that, thin the wing and get new wheels.

If you like plastic surgery, then deal with the fuselage shortness, which is noticeable if you put to next to a corrected one, and who else makes a 1/48 Tempest. A lazy fix would be to lengthen the tailwheel leg by maybe 1mm to adjust the 'sit' of the plane.

HTH

T

[andym]

Transport joint? as in just in front of the fin? If so WHY?

Wow, this just makes for A LOT more work than you need. I'll explain.

For anyone without the two kits, the Monogram Typhoon, while nicely accurate, has raised panel lines, and no retractable tail wheel, and the fin shape will still need a fillet adding on, and the grafting into the Eduard fuselage, plus all the messing about blending in and the tailplane mountings are smaller..not to mention writing off a couple of Typhoon kits in the process. [the Tempest and Typhoon share the same rear fuselage for any casual readers]

And IF you can do that kind of plastic surgery! .... Then my suggested fix is a breeze...

All you need to do is back the inside of the fin, and then file/carve and sand to the relevant shape.

[shown in the pic above of the real thing, this the best pic of this, but there are loads of Tempest pics on the Tempest site here http://www.hawkertempest.se/WalkArounds.htm]

I have seen a suggestion to cut away the fillet and then build up with filler, but again, a harder way to solve the problem, as there is enough material to reshape quite happily.

But if by transport joint, you mean just behind the cockpit, to correct the scale 8" shortness [ie 1/6th inch or approx 4.5mm on model] ....then it's still an awful lot of work when you could just get a correcting rear fuselage from A2Zee, or use the Jaguar kit spacers, or just extend it with plastic card and filler...

And if you do graft on the entire Monogram Typhoon rear fuselage you still have to blend it in, rescribe the rear fuselage, widen the tailplanes fillet and add the fin fillet, cut out the tailwheel doors, remove the moulded on fishplate reinforcements..... which is still a lot more work than modifying the existing fuselage!

Work In Progress, if this worked for you that's great, but for anyone who has the old kit, it's a lot more work than you need to do.

bear in mind I'm pedantic but lazy, and what i suggest should take about an hour to do after the glued in backing plastic card has dried.

The Jaguar extensions are easy to use, cut carefully, glue in with CA, fill and blend as needed.

I don't have the A2Zee correction set so can't comment.

Fixing the wing took a couple of hours, but that included thinning the trailing edges as well.

I'm stuck on detailing the wheel well if anyone wants to know my current problem with the kit, and that just requires more staring at walkround pics and working out at what level to stop, and how to replicate the wheel up locks. In the link above, look at the LA607 walkround pics, compared to the Hendon planes seeem to hvae a lot of the pipes and wires missing for anyone interested.

I would be happy with a retooled Tempest (actully I'd be a bit cheesed off as i have the old one] but the kit consistently sells for good money on ebay, and with some work makes a good Tempest.

For anyone whose want a comparison, it's about as much work/new bits as needed to bring the 1/48 Airfix Spitfire MkI up to accuracy, or less than bringing the hasegawa Spit XI or Tamiya Spifire I/V up to accuracy. [both of these need new fuselages to be accurate and the hase IX needs a new spinner as well]

And I see plenty of builds of the Tamiya and Hase Spitfire kits without these corrections.

To sum up, for the less pedantic modeller, if you do one thing to make a visual impact on the Eduard Tempest, thin the fin fillet.

After that, thin the wing and get new wheels.

If you like plastic surgery, then deal with the fuselage shortness, which is noticeable if you put to next to a corrected one, and who else makes a 1/48 Tempest. A lazy fix would be to lengthen the tailwheel leg by maybe 1mm to adjust the 'sit' of the plane.

HTH

T

I'd be interested in a few more details of how you thinned the wing and adjusted the roots to fit?

Thanks,

Andy

[Gundylunch]

whoops

As for Eduard Tempest, and they should have looked at EJ693 and this shot.....

Is EJ693 the one that is/was being restored at Booker Airfield ??

[Troy Smith]

Is EJ693 the one that is/was being restored at Booker Airfield ??

yes. see http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...st&p=769325

T

Edited June 6, 2011 by Troy Smith

[Troy Smith]

I'd be interested in a few more details of how you thinned the wing and adjusted the roots to fit?

Thanks,

Andy

Hi Andy

the surprising thing is, you don't need to adjust the roots on the fuselage! Hooray!

I was thinking you would need to do some major surgery, but no, you need to thin the leading edge at the root by 1/16th inch, about 1.5mm, take an equal amount off upper and lower wing in a thin wedge to the point where the outer wing begins.

Then you notch the 'spar' connecting the front of the lower wings to allow the fuselage to drop down this amount, and bingo, it all still fits!

you need to thin the rear wing join and the rear of the wing fillet on the fuselage too, but that is also because you do need to thin the trailing edge A LOT this take a lot more work to scrape, sand, check and repeat. Took me about 2 hours one night on tray on the sofa half watching a film.

I would suggest that attaching the upper wing halves to the fuselage and back the joint with thin plastic card, and then attaching the lower wing would help with getting neat wing root joins as well being stronger. Also add card 'shelf' into the rear fuselage so the underwing has someting to sit on.

the kit is still in bits, but it's all been taped together and test fitted a lot, but the absolute proof will be when it's all glued....and I'm still messing about with the wheel wells at the mo.

It's a lot easier to show than explain, but I can't upload pics from here, but I hope this gives you an idea of what's required.

Pics and build details in time. There are a load of other tweaks and additions that help as well, details in time.

I hope this makes sense?

cheers

T

[Work In Progress]

Transport joint? as in just in front of the fin? If so WHY?

Wow, this just makes for A LOT more work than you need. I'll explain.

For anyone without the two kits, the Monogram Typhoon, while nicely accurate, has raised panel lines, and no retractable tail wheel, and the fin shape will still need a fillet adding on, and the grafting into the Eduard fuselage, plus all the messing about blending in and the tailplane mountings are smaller..not to mention writing off a couple of Typhoon kits in the process. [the Tempest and Typhoon share the same rear fuselage for any casual readers]

And IF you can do that kind of plastic surgery! .... Then my suggested fix is a breeze...

And if you do graft on the entire Monogram Typhoon rear fuselage you still have to blend it in, rescribe the rear fuselage, widen the tailplanes fillet and add the fin fillet, cut out the tailwheel doors, remove the moulded on fishplate reinforcements..... which is still a lot more work than modifying the existing fuselage!

Work In Progress, if this worked for you that's great, but for anyone who has the old kit, it's a lot more work than you need to do.

Blimey, if you are going to get this excited I'd better not tell you that the second one had big chunks of a disused Hobbycraft Sea Fury welded to it, to make a Tempest II.

Yes, I mean sawing it off at the fish plates. Up to you, but it took me all of a couple of evenings and was pretty easy. I had a few old Monogram Typhoons that I got as bagged kits for four or five quid each: you couldn't give them away for a while when the Hasegawa ones first came out and they were everywhere on eBay. It amused me to do it the same way that Hawker did it, i.e. by putting a thin fillet in front of a Typhoon fin. I didn't use the Eduard tailplanes, which means I must have either rescribed the Monogram tailplanes (if the Monogram kit has a Tempest tail as fitted to many Typhoons - this was a long long time ago and I'm not sure after all these years) or possibly I also had in stock some aftermarket Tempest tailplanes for the Monogram kit. If so I must have used those too. Having glued together the major components on the first evening, from memory it only took about half an hour next evening to file off the lumps, give it a sanding and rescribe. I didn't experience any 'all this messing about' to speak of.

Never mind, each to his own, etc. We are obviously going to disagree but I considered the Eduard Tempest was a massive disappointment, one of the worst WW2 fighter kits originating in the 1990s, not just for the fundamental shape issues but also for the exceedingly soft detailing and flaky plastic. I would have found it easier to deal with something like a Falcon vac-form, if only one had been available. Still bought a few, but I have always wished Hasegawa had carried on with their Hurricane - Typhoon progression and brought out some Tempests and a Sea Fury.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Work In Progress

[Troy Smith]

Blimey, if you are going to get this excited I'd better not tell you that the second one had big chunks of a disused Hobbycraft Sea Fury welded to it, to make a Tempest II.

Not excited, just puzzled. Using Sea Fury parts to make a Tempest II is perfectly understandable, and a reasonable idea, but grafting on a whole new tail and still having to make a new fillet seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me, which is why I asked.

Yes, I mean sawing it off at the fish plates. Up to you, but it took me all of a couple of evenings and was pretty easy. I had a few old Monogram Typhoons that I got as bagged kits for four or five quid each: you couldn't give them away for a while when the Hasegawa ones first came out and they were everywhere on eBay. It amused me to do it the same way that Hawker did it, i.e. by putting a thin fillet in front of a Typhoon fin. I didn't use the Eduard tailplanes, which means I must have either rescribed the Monogram tailplanes (if the Monogram kit has a Tempest tail as fitted to many Typhoons - this was a long long time ago and I'm not sure after all these years) or possibly I also had in stock some aftermarket Tempest tailplanes for the Monogram kit. If so I must have used those too. Having glued together the major components on the first evening, from memory it only took about half an hour next evening to file off the lumps, give it a sanding and rescribe. I didn't experience any 'all this messing about' to speak of.

Interesting, thanks for explaning. grafting the from behind the cockpit would kind of make sense and correct the length. This to me does not seem a good idea given thinning the fin fillet took about an hour.

The Monogram Tiffie has the smaller Typhoon tailplanes. The Eduard are thick, but being in upper/lower halves are thinnable.

Never mind, each to his own, etc. We are obviously going to disagree but I considered the Eduard Tempest was a massive disappointment, one of the worst WW2 fighter kits originating in the 1990s, not just for the fundamental shape issues but also for the exceedingly soft detailing and flaky plastic. I would have found it easier to deal with something like a Falcon vac-form, if only one had been available. Still bought a few, but I have always wished Hasegawa had carried on with their Hurricane - Typhoon progression and brought out some Tempests and a Sea Fury.

OK, fair enough. It was not meant as a personal comment or attack.

I do try to make my posts for everyone who may be interested, and I have picked up many very useful tips and tricks here, so I figure that other members might find my or your experiences of use or help, so I was curious to your solutions for myself and others.

And if the Eduard kit is reissued unmodified then this will be of use to others.

yes, the Eduard is a dissapointment, but it is a limited run kit too, so comparison to Hasegawa is not a fair comparion. And the ones i have the detail looks fine,(where is it soft?) and the plastic is not flaky.

I have the Falcon vaform Sea Fury, and yes, it has good shapes, but it has no detail parts!! (I'd say it's still easier accurise the Hobbycraft kit, and don't start me on the Trumpeter Sea Fury)

But for me what I see in the Edaurd tempest is the potential to make a pretty accurate Tempest, with work! my opinion of it is certainly coloured by trying to improve that godawful AMT Tempest 30 years ago.... with no internet to help!!

I don't know I'd trust Hasegawa with the Tempest or Sea Fury though!

Their Hurricane is nearly but not quite, having annoying errors, mostly to do with the fabric fuselage, not just the underfuselage join, and over done effect, but the tricky to correct incorrect fabric detail on the first fabric covered access hatch. ...the too small wheel hubs and ejectro pin marks in the wheel wells are a pain too.

the Typhoon is better, but it would help not having the fuselage insert and Monogram did a better job of the fishplates on the rear fuselage in 1968....plus all the decals i have seen for them have ivory 'white' and too dark and too green 'sky' codes which given the cost and reputation of hasegawa is very dissapointing.

thanks for explaining.

cheers

T

[DougN]

This should easily solve any Tempest Tail issues:

http://www.a2zeemodels.co.uk/hawker-tempest-tail-set-1-p.asp

Cheers,

Doug

[Antoine]

The monthly Eduard leaflet in english is out today, and Mr Sulc seems to say that the reedition of the tempest will have thhe usual stuff profipack boxes get, PE, brassin and a good decal sheet.

Pierre Clostermann tempest (tempests???) will be one of the options.

But he also says that a completely new tool tempest is not out of question, but we'll have to wait a few years.

[Severus]

The monthly Eduard leaflet in english is out today, and Mr Sulc seems to say that the reedition of the tempest will have thhe usual stuff profipack boxes get, PE, brassin and a good decal sheet.

Pierre Clostermann tempest (tempests???) will be one of the options.

But he also says that a completely new tool tempest is not out of question, but we'll have to wait a few years.

...until it wll be released bt Trumpeter in 1/32 or even 1/24 with fabric tailplanes...