hacker Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I want to do a Bf 109C in the 70/71/65 splinter scheme with the famous shark mouth of 2/JG 71 circa 1939-40 or even before then and was wondering it the red band/white circle with the swastika was used along with these markings? I have a side colour profile with out it but l am sure it did have it at one time. I have the Superscale decal sheet #72-295 but l have misplaced the instructions for it. Can anyone advise me please thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I want to do a Bf 109C in the 70/71/65 splinter scheme with the famous shark mouth of 2/JG 71 circa 1939-40 or even before then and was wondering it the red band/white circle with the swastika was used along with these markings? I have a side colour profile with out it but l am sure it did have it at one time. I have the Superscale decal sheet #72-295 but l have misplaced the instructions for it. Can anyone advise me pleasethanks Do you mean a Bf109D of 2./JGr 176 (Yellow 5)? If so no red band and circle on tail at this time, just swastika across rudder and tail. HTH Andy Edited May 24, 2011 by andym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Any photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Generally speaking, I'd suggest a B with a red band but probably not a D or the rare Cs. I'd go with the sharkmouth being a D - and certainly no red band in a 1939/40 timescale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Do you mean a Bf109D of 2./JGr 176 (Yellow 5)? If so no red band and circle on tail at this time, just swastika across rudder and tail.HTH Andy Any photos? No red 10 of 2/JG 71. I thought it was in this scheme but at later date when they used the red band with the white circle Edited May 24, 2011 by hacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 The red band went away in about 1938 or so, so it isn't appropriate for a Polish campaign bird... I cannot recall the exact date, but it was prior to the start od hostilities for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 No red 10 of 2/JG 71. I thought it was in this scheme but at later date when they used the red band with the white circle I'd love to see an actual pic of this aircraft as it looks like an amalgam of two seperate schemes? Anyone help? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonar Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) I cannot recall the exact date, but it was prior to the start od hostilities for sure. Only by nine months. The red band/white disc/swastika,representing the "Reich and national flag",were replaced by a solo swastika design by an order of 30/1/39,effective as of 1/1/39. Typical of the Germans to back date an order! Steve Edited May 25, 2011 by Stonar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 After further research it is looking more and more like this scheme is someones fantasy. It appears to be a mix-up of an aircraft from 2./JG71 and "Yellow 5" a sharkmouth from 2./JGr176 (formerly II/JG71 and later JG76). So until anyone can find photographic proof don't use it? HTH Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately this pic does not show the codes: Pic is from Rod's warbirds http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/ Edited May 26, 2011 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Maybe this painting instruction has the codes correct: Credit AeroPlast box of Kit Bf 109 D, #00271 Edited May 26, 2011 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 I did this profile based on the squadron/signal book Bf 109 in action part 1. Further research myself has made me come to the conclusion that this is the definitive makings and that any previously did carry the red band with the white circle but no shark mouth and the two where never on the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) I did this profile based on the squadron/signal book Bf 109 in action part 1. Further research myself has made me come to the conclusion that this is the definitive makings and that any previously did carry the red band with the white circle but no shark mouth and the two where never on the same time Yup, I'd agree with that. There is a pic of similarly marked Red 11 so Red 10 would be possible: http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109D/Bf-109C...ny-1939-01.html But yes, no sharkmouth. For oop decals which match refs: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev1...8266/rev627.htm http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/aero/am48497.htm HTH Andy Edited May 26, 2011 by andym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) And FWIW I'd love to see a pic showing that sharkmouth was marked "Yellow 5" and had "Luchs" written on nose.. I'll need to have rake through refs tonight. Andy Edited May 26, 2011 by andym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhouse Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I want to do a Bf 109C in the 70/71/65 splinter scheme with the famous shark mouth of 2/JG 71 circa 1939-40 or even before then and was wondering it the red band/white circle with the swastika was used along with these markings? I have a side colour profile with out it but l am sure it did have it at one time. I have the Superscale decal sheet #72-295 but l have misplaced the instructions for it. Can anyone advise me pleasethanks Hi Hacker found some picks of Me Bf 109-C Fighters, and i added the Front Cover of a new Kagero Monograf concerning the Bf 109 A-D, they are really good. I hope it could help you !!! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Aereo Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The only illustration I can think of is a profile published in Jagdwaffe Vol. One Section Three by Eric Mombeek in 1999 and shows Yellow 5 of 2/JGr 176 (aircraft of JG 71 didn't wear any sharkmouth). Again, I don't recall seeing any photos clearly showing individual numbers on JGr 176 aircraft, but I might be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touvdal Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Unfortunately is my scanner not working. but on page 383 of "Die jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934-1945, Teil 1, there are 2 photos of the Bf 109D1 with the sharkmouth, one is the same as showen here. The other is from the side front not showing the number. The plane is from 1./ZG 144, and probaly the plane of Hptm. Rhonaw, the staffelkapitäin, as his is in front of the plane. So the number would possible be white. 1.5.39 the unit I/ZG 144 was renamed II/ZG 76 wich 9.9.39 renamed JGr 176, renamed back again 3.2.40 to II/ZG 76 cheers Jes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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