AnonymousAA72 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Following on from some earlier threads regarding the pro's and con's of the Hobbyboss Tornado's compared to the Italeri version's , and also from Jonners post previously. here's a few thoughts and pic's to show progress on my F3. I think its fair to say that Hobbyboss have come in for a lot of justified criticism for certain aspects of these kits....however, they represent a giant leap in terms of surface detail - compared to the 20 year old Italeri version. That said, there are serious shape flaws - and a lot will depend on what part of the "It looks like a Tornado-its only a hobby- it'll do" vs. "Its an inaccurate parody of the Tornado, rivets are in the wrong place" side of the fence you come down on. From my perspective I can see immediately that the shape of the intakes are woefully wrong, the nose shape is off and of course there is a total lack of intake trunking; Hobbyboss have though made amendments to the IDS/ECR/GR1/4 kit though .... Tail plane - gone are the curved edges of the earlier kit.... The Intakes - tacked into place - you can see clearly that the upper level is far too high and straight. The wing gloves are far too fat - both areas need drastic amendment. Here they are amended.....remove some plastic from the sides and bend the top down. Likewise and not too apparent here the lower line that blends into the undercarriage bay needs straightening out too. There is a slight hump on the spine - I've now corrected this More pic's of the nose amendments will follow in a day or so... Tip: Don't ever use a 3g dongle to try to download photo's from photobucket! Edited February 12, 2011 by Bill Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) The Intakes - tacked into place - you can see clearly that the upper level is far too high and straight. The wing gloves are far too fat - both areas need drastic fixing. OK, but what we desperately need are 1/48th Tornado seamless air intakes. For sure this could be a successful add on considering the number of 1/48th Tornado kits available... Two Mikes... Are you listening? PS here's what the intakes will look like on the model from front on. Oh for some intake trunking!!!! Source: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...41559&st=20 V.P. Edited February 12, 2011 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim T Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Looking really good Bill. Always a treat watching your builds. Now, where's my popcorn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Nice and usefull work, congrats. When You say : "The Intakes - tacked into place - you can see clearly that the upper level is far too high and straight. The wing gloves are far too fat - both areas need drastic amendment." , did You find the intake's upper surface are not down inclined forward as on real Tornadoes ? I ask this because in my IDS example the attitude of the intake's upper lip is fine and right to my "old" eyes . Somewhere here I red someone about the HB IDS wing glove were anemic, perhaps HB changed it for the F-3 version ? Hope see more soon of Your fine work. Good Luck Tonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Hi Bill - thats looking a hell of a lot better than the vanilla F3. Did you do something to the nose too? My F3 nose section is still in progress - I take it out every now and then and sort of wince. Have you sanded out the upper forward fuselage to remove the massive flat lip on the cockpit sill? - its hard to tell from the pics. Did I post pics of my 'improved' canopy sill fairing BTW? - I'll check - might be of use to you. You realise I may have to get my model out again now. Courage mon Brave - good work. Jonners Edited February 14, 2011 by Jon Kunac-Tabinor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Great work Bill,you have the patience of a saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Nice and usefull work, congrats.When You say : "The Intakes - tacked into place - you can see clearly that the upper level is far too high and straight. The wing gloves are far too fat - both areas need drastic amendment." , did You find the intake's upper surface are not down inclined forward as on real Tornadoes ? I ask this because in my IDS example the attitude of the intake's upper lip is fine and right to my "old" eyes . Somewhere here I red someone about the HB IDS wing glove were anemic, perhaps HB changed it for the F-3 version ? Hope see more soon of Your fine work. Good Luck Tonka I'm afraid the intakes on both the IDS amd ADV kit sare exactly the same plastic Tonka, and therefore wrong! The amendment on the F3 here was the same as I performed on my GR1 build. As you say the upper surfaces on both kits should be inclined downward. This has the effect of shortening this piece, and I havent measured these to see how accurate (or otherwise!) these may be. Hope to post a few more pic's soon - I'm not 100% happy with the cockpit - I've used Airwaves PE and it looks wrong! Hi Bill - thats looking a hell of a lot better than the vanilla F3. Did you do something to the nose too?My F3 nose section is still in progress - I take it out every now and then and sort of wince. Have you sanded out the upper forward fuselage to remove the massive flat lip on the cockpit sill? - its hard to tell from the pics. Did I post pics of my 'improved' canopy sill fairing BTW? - I'll check - might be of use to you. You realise I may have to get my model out again now. Courage mon Brave - good work. Jonners Thanks Jonners, yes any pic's will help!! Not sure which fat lip you're referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalguru Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I don't see anything too difficult there, but that extra work won't appeal to newcomers. Saying that- you make it look a lot better than it has any right to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Great work Bill,you have the patience of a saint! Thanks Merv, I've been trying to dig out some pic's of The F3, I've saved some that you and others have posted on the GB a couple of years ago, including one for the F3T, but do you have any good side views of the WHOLE of the central consul? I have some of the consul and instrument panel but not the HUD repeater(?) on top of the CRT boxes. TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Thanks Merv, I've been trying to dig out some pic's of The F3, I've saved some that you and others have posted on the GB a couple of years ago, including one for the F3T, but do you have any good side views of the WHOLE of the central consul? I have some of the consul and instrument panel but not the HUD repeater(?) on top of the CRT boxes. TIA Bill,these are all the one's I saved of the F3 pit. HTH, Merv Edited February 19, 2011 by spike7451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz greenwood Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Great work so far Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Super work, so far. Hope all your effort will be rewarded. Great pics Merv. Very useful. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Bill,these are all the one's I saved of the F3 pit.HTH, Merv Thanks Merv., Funny thing - I was doing a Google search for "Tornado F3 Cockpit" last night and came across a similar request in 2005! On ARC by me, and you was one of the ones that answered!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 " I'm afraid the intakes on both the IDS amd ADV kit sare exactly the same plastic Tonka, and therefore wrong! The amendment on the F3 here was the same as I performed on my GR1 build. As you say the upper surfaces on both kits should be inclined downward. This has the effect of shortening this piece, and I havent measured these to see how accurate (or otherwise!) these may be." Hi Bill Yes, You are right. Now I have compared my HB kit to the Aeroguide #24 pics and I know what you meant. How many shortcomings and errors in just one kit ! it looks like a competition on the contrary ! :shithappens: but How MUCH !!! Good Luck Tonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Been messing around with the radome area and the severe undercut where the canon and blank fairings are. Not disimilar to Jonners corrections, well not to start off with anyway. A lot of cutting and cussing! I tried to widen the front portion above and just behind where the canon was. My reckoning being that the lower nose are was a lot straighter than hobby boss would have us believe..... Here's the nose section as it was - though after the radome was added... After much trials and tribulations and more rude words - I opted for the modellers mate - Vodka - no I mean Milliput....Just on the section aft of the canon - It gives it a much squarer profile. I have already started to re-scribe!! Still a lot of re-shaping to do - I now think that the radome may be a bit too sloped on the top??? Edited February 21, 2011 by Bill Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I now think that the radome may be a bit too sloped on the top??? Yeh, Billy; I was 'bout to say so - although it ain't the case with yer build, it looks as if the radome had been glued upside down or sumthin'... Whut a pity with "them" blokes at HobbyBoss. Cheers, Billy! Unc² Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenshb Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The "cheeks" look more to my impression of what they should look like now, but I agree that there is something about the nose - it seems to droop too much? Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Still a lot of re-shaping to do - I now think that the radome may be a bit too sloped on the top??? By an odd coincidence I've had a set of engineering drawings for the F3 on the desk today and my first reaction at your pic was that it lacks the outward taper, making the whole thing look to pointy but - insert caveat - not having the kit that's just a guess rather than an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 ..however, they represent a giant leap in terms of surface detail - compared to the 20 year old Italeri version. Hi Bill, Being one who's a sucker for really nice surface detail, that statement interested me! Especially as your neat work & helpful pics are showing that the shape corrections may be within the skills of a mere mortal like me (although I have my doubts whether I could wrestle that radome into shape!) However, it seems that with doing all those shape corrections you may well lose an awful lot of that nice surface detailing?? In your considered opinion, would the surface detailing alone be enough for you to buy the HB kit over the Italeri one?? Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Bill I have some line plans of the F-3, (Sorry,forgot I had them) PM me your e-mail 7 I'll send them right over. Merv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta7 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 here are some pics that might help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I do wish they would get new prop blades for that Spitfire! Think I'm going to wait for the Italeri re-relese for an 1/48 F3. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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