NeilF92 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Still a WIP but heading in the right direction at last. See end of thread for up to date image. Edited February 4, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 WIP? Looks really good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Thanks Enzo - yes still a WIP - had to redo the sky and haven't quite figured out how it should look finally. Also , at this , size 24" x18" , Acrylic on canvas there's a lot of detail to go into the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Hi Neil Hope you will forgive me sticking my oar in The port wing is looking a bit wide compared to the starboard. Also watch the perspective on the nose ring. Have done a quick alteration of the wing in Gimp on the laptop Still not correct as the trailing edge could use more angle, but I just wanted to try and illustrate my point. Took some off The trailing edge and you can see it has had the leading edge removed. Also I popped on a black line to represent the no walk line. The painting is looking ace keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Thanks Walrus - no problems re pointing things out. I've had some concerns about that port wing . The problem for me is that I have taken photos of my 1/48th Lightning and this is how the wing comes out . Could be that the lens used is too large - - should be 50mm equivalent . I'll double check - using a very quick APM 3D projection - that should let me see the right dimensions . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 How goes it Neil? Have you had chance to put brush to canvas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbuna Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Very nice indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Thanks jimbuna. Walrus - I made a quick APM projection but the difficulty with that is getting the parameters to produce the exact pitch and roll and viewpoint as in the photo. I rechecked the tracing from the photo and found it was accurate and I can line the plastic model up with the painting and confirm all the angles are as drawn so at the moment I'm sticking with it . APM offers the best chance of getting it right but ,as said, it is time consuming working through the possible combinations of angle to duplicate this image. I have changed one line - that is the flap hinge on the port wing which I had slant the opposite way to what it should be . Also - I will probably cut the trailing edge of the port wing to meet the fuselage further forward. Any distortion could be the result of a viewpoint too close to the subject but at the moment I'm leaving it be till I do a bit more thinking and try outs. It is quite tricky to get the model poised at the right angle and see that the image agrees - very easy to set up what I think is the angle only to find various lines do not agree - but it can be done so I need to check it out before changing anything . Edited January 18, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) I have a 50mm lens on my big camera but am unwilling to swap lenses because of the dust mote problems that entails . The small Powershot zoom is difficult to figure out where 50mm is so lens distrortion is a probability - I can see the exif readings and most were at 140mm equiv. but at quite a distance from the model. Edited January 21, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Still working on this one . Walrus : Have amended the far wing by cutting back the outer half of the port wing leading edge which had crept a bit too far forward in the painting. Also cut off a little of the whole trailing edge of the same wing. Still need to align that trailing edge with the flap hinge line .The end of the wing needs to be squared off plus the roundel on that wing needs a slight adjustment. Next the background will need to be gone over to ensure it all blends smoothly after the modifications. Then check the aircraft and add further details . The a/c outline was probably skewed by lens distortion but I've finally managed to replicate the viewing angle in APM and get a good likeness to what is now on canvas . The viewpoint is probably too close - 100 ft away but I'll stick with this now. Thanks for the comments and crit . Edited February 4, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Took some time out to rework the port wing on this one - As Walrus pointed out - it wasn't right . The canvas image now lines up with a 1/48th scale model at that angle and size so I'm sticking with this now . I'm treating this one as a colour study for the real thing when I will make damn sure the perspective is spot on before committing to canvas ! Still have to rework the sky behind the a/c and take out the scary blue tints bottom right . Not finished detailing the a/c as yet and need to deal with the arrow and roundel nose marks . Edited February 4, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Coming on nicely Neil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srecko Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Excellent work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larkie Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Very nice work! I thought you might be amused by this photo I found, if you haven't seen it already. To me that definitely looks like there's a wing missing. Is there something about the Lightning's form that produces these 'wrong' perspectives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Thanks Walrus , Srecko and Larkie , Larkie - the Lightning was never easy to draw , drooping inboard leading edges and from slab side into cylinders in the fuselage make it tricky to get right . Fortunately I know it well enough to be at ease with that photo but I can see why it would throw some folks. The painting has since been modified even further to show a difference in angles between the wing trailing edge and tail wing leading edge but I won't post again till complete . Down to my mistake eyesight and wishful thinking I'm afraid . Edited January 30, 2011 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Larkie's pic also nicely demonstrates the subtle changes of angle on the wing in two planes. Makes it difficult to draw imho A more pronounced kink would make life easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Pretty much finished with this one. Edited December 2, 2012 by NeilF92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 ... gotta go. Don't have an oxygen mask! Air is thin at this altidude! Very evocative, well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larkie Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Well, that's another excellent piece of work, Neill. For some reason I'd missed a few of your earlier pictures and was just looking through them now. I wondered who some of your main influences are artistically - other aviation artists or just in general (- I say that because in some of these paintings the landscape looks as important as the aircraft themselves)? A week's holiday starting today and you've inspired me to get drawing again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Just to compare, I found these today!! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1461253/etuo/XN768..._Archiv-Wsb.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1461253/etuo/XN768...tebier_0872.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi Dave -Those photos are of Sierra at a later stage when the Sqn lost the arrow head nose and had to adopt the standard checks . Never seen those shots before - very interesting indeed. Larkie Influences ? Too many to mention but Frank Wooton first and foremost . I just about read the ink off the pages of his "How to Draw Planes " book when I was a youngster . Some of Rex Flood's work also inspired me but the landscapes began to feature more when I discovered low level jet hill side photography in Wales and the Lakes . Always had a passion for jets at low level since my teenage years near Lossie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 Revamped the sky in this one - I think this gives a stronger image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Cannot fault the sky, or indeed any other part of the image, at all Neil. Wonderful work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbuna Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Absolutely fanrastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 Col ,Jimbuna, Thanks for the positive comments guys. Are you still painting Col? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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