Tiger331 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 After some help please... I think the market has changed since I last dabbled with 1:72 Scale MiG-29 Fulcrums....I seem to recall there were issues with both the Fujimi and Hasegawa kits and that the best of the bunch was the Italeri kit.......Is this still the case ?.......I was wondering if the ICM kit (or others) were better. 1:48 is my 'normal' scale and the ICM Spitfires and ME Bf-109s are nice but not sure if this is followed through with their 1:72 stuff. Any assistance/advice gratefully received. Tiger331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 This is something I'd like to know myself ! The italeri is a nice kit, although the detail in te cockpit is quite sparse. Some say this is also the most accurate, others say the airfix one is more accurate, althoug a worse fitting kit. There's a good difference in wing sze between the two, if one is accurate the other is not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_C Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) I think that in scale 1/72 is the best ICM Mig-29C (9-13) . Mig-29A (9-12) is the best Italeri or Airfix. Mig-29 UB (9-51) again Italeri or Heller. Martin Edited December 2, 2010 by Martin_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotrek.S. Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) Hi! I`m a fan of a theory that best Fulcrum (9.12) in 1/72 will be "Italfix". That`s an Italeri`s Fulcrum with Airfix engine nacelles. However Airfix kit is rather hard to get (here in Poland), so Italeri is acceptable. Edited December 3, 2010 by Piotrek.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Piotrek, can you elaborate on what's wrong on the Italeri MiG-29 ? Is it something that can be corrected by the modeller without using the airfix bits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotrek.S. Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Piotrek, can you elaborate on what's wrong on the Italeri MiG-29 ? Is it something that can be corrected by the modeller without using the airfix bits ? Well, IMHO Airfix has better shaped air ducts and engine nacelles. You can call this operation Fulcrumstein and it`s dedicated to MiG-29 freaks:) Typical pure Italeri MiG will need some changes in engine nozzles, new panel lines on upper surfaces. Some detailing in cockpit area will be nice. Despite this Italian Fulcrum is still best in 1/72 (9.12 version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Piotrek, apologies if I forgot this thread and your answer... Talking about mig-29, what do you think are the best drawings around for this plane ? I bought an Aero team kit, honestly only for the decals as there were plenty of stencils (it was on sale at a show for 5 euro...), but Id like to build it anyway correcting the major faults only Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielrocks Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 i have absolutley no knowledge or expert advice at all, but i am biased towards a Hasegawa, only coz my lady friend is selling the farnborough one on evil bay, Although if it has reports of being a shocker, i cant really say much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 i have absolutley no knowledge or expert advice at all, but i am biased towards a Hasegawa, only coz my lady friend is selling the farnborough one on evil bay, Although if it has reports of being a shocker, i cant really say much Unfortunately the hasegawa has a reputation for really terrible accuracy.. That kit was made when the shapes of the mig-29 were known in the west only through a few pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielrocks Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Unfortunately the hasegawa has a reputation for really terrible accuracy.. That kit was made when the shapes of the mig-29 were known in the west only through a few pictures. The whole iron curtain thing never occurred to me in the past, i wonder if they're has ever been any fantastic eastern bloc manufacturers? I wouldn't like to think how a hasegawa kit would compare as a percentage of eastern wages back in the day, yet i'm also sure that people must have had the same passion for the hobby! Unless they're the best scratchbuilders in the world that was not meant to sound generalising in any way naturally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 The whole iron curtain thing never occurred to me in the past, i wonder if they're has ever been any fantastic eastern bloc manufacturers? I wouldn't like to think how a hasegawa kit would compare as a percentage of eastern wages back in the day, yet i'm also sure that people must have had the same passion for the hobby! Unless they're the best scratchbuilders in the world that was not meant to sound generalising in any way naturally There sure was a lot of plastic modeling going on beyond the iron curtain ! I've even seen a fews pics from some model show of those days and the level was very, very good. The many small manufacturer from eastern europe that we see today are an indication that the tradition of model making in those countries is strong. KP used to be the best manufacturer from the then Warsaw Pact countries. The company still exists, the brand still exists (although I believe under different owners) and the old moulds are still around. Some are still nice enough kits even 30 years later. Then there was VEB of east germany... oh dear, I only built a Su-7 from them, and it was really a very basic kit. They had a range of 1/100 airliners that covered some interesting types. There were also a number of Soviet companies, that made some very rough kits. But we shouldn't forget Novo, that continued the production of the old Frog kits in the Soviet Union. When I started in the hobby, in Italy the ex frog kits were very rare, but some people who travelled to soviet Russia had no problem in finding types like the Javelin... I was so envious!!! I also remember in the mid '80s that many people from easten europe wrote on magazines proposing kit exchanges to western modellers. Guess hasegawa was hard to find in their shops.. I've also seen a number of modeling magazines from those days, some proposing plans for scratchbuilding and paper models, these another type that I think are very popular in eastern europe. Guess that in the end enthusiasts were the same on both sides of the iron curtain ! All with the same problem, be it finding the right colour for the model or hdiing the stash from the wife.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Say what you like about VEB and KP from the old East German days, along with OEZ. The kits might not have been the best but the generally were more accurate than kits made in the west. Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 KP kits wer all quite accurate, the real problem with them were the clear parts: thick, not very transparent and often didn't fit. I've always been surprised by the level of surface detail on KP kits ! Pity that it was all raised and most of it disappeared with the sanding required to make everything fit. The VEB Su-7 I have on the other hand was way behind the KP kits in terms of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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