Simon Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi all I took these photos at RAF Leeming a couple of years ago. They are of a 100 Sqn Hawk carrying Sidewinder acquisition rounds. My question is: why are there two different styles? Is the first one a 'live' one and the second one just a dummy? Or is the second one used for something else? MTIA Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It looks like the top one has a live seeker head dummy motor whereas the lower pic looks like just a dummy round. They look very similar to the ones we fitted to SHAR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete T Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 The top one is a straight Acqui AIM9, the bottom one is, I believe, a RAIDS pod. It allows crews to carry out ACM and collect all the data on board the aircraft. It saves having a massive instrumented range and also means you can train anywhere, rather than having to go to a specific area. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 The top one is a straight Acqui AIM9, the bottom one is, I believe, a RAIDS pod. It allows crews to carry out ACM and collect all the data on board the aircraft. It saves having a massive instrumented range and also means you can train anywhere, rather than having to go to a specific area. Yes, that's right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtd350 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Yes, that's right. So why hasn't there been any resin ones made ....Hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Didn't realise the bottom one was an actual aqui pod. Cool, always ready to be corrected. You certainly learn lots on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) The RAIDS (Rangeless Airborne Instrumented Debriefing System) pod, is a common sight on RAF and NATO aircraft. If you check photo's of RAF Typhoons you will notise the pods being carried on the outer Missile rail but these have larger bulges/rings on them than the ones used on the Hawks. Typhoon RAIDS pods 1/32nd pods are future releases from Two mikes, but would be quite easy to make yourself in small 1/72nd scale. ACMI pods Shaun. Edited June 5, 2010 by Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 Thanks for all the replies everyone - much appreciated. I guess training rounds aren't as 'sexy' as full-on Sidewinders, so the mainstream kit makers won't be bothering with including them in their kits. Hopefully the after-market boys can fill in the gap...in 1/48 as well please Two Mikes! Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG899 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 In 48th both are dead easy to make using Evergreen plastic rod and 5 thou for the 'straps' / mounting points - I've done this on umpteen Shar FA2s. Compared to rectifying the 'age' issues with the Airfix FA2 kit, they are EASY! Use a kit or good aftermarket AIM9 (Hase?) to get the length (or google AIM9 dimensions), from there the rest is easy Go on, be bold, have a go! Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Thread back from the dead! I'm going to put one on my Phantom. Rather than use some plastic rod though, surely it's simpler just to cut the fins off an AIM-9 from the spares box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot21 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Hasegawa 1:48 Weapons pack D has ACMI rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Lord Riot said: Thread back from the dead! I'm going to put one on my Phantom. Rather than use some plastic rod though, surely it's simpler just to cut the fins off an AIM-9 from the spares box? Yup. That's all you need to do. Easy job. If you want to be a rivet counter, the rear of the body tube needs drilling out. The real aqui body was hollow for some of its length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Deaf Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Hi all please can you tell me what the colours are for the acqui rounds? Is it Deep Saxe Blue for the body, and a dark grey for the nose? also I was wondering if it’s legit for the RAIDS pod to cut the fins off an ASRAAM? I don’t know why manufacturers don’t include them in the kits, it’d make more sense than a black RAF Hawk with drop tanks and SNEB pods! Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Tony Deaf said: Hi all please can you tell me what the colours are for the acqui rounds? Is it Deep Saxe Blue for the body, and a dark grey for the nose? also I was wondering if it’s legit for the RAIDS pod to cut the fins off an ASRAAM? I don’t know why manufacturers don’t include them in the kits, it’d make more sense than a black RAF Hawk with drop tanks and SNEB pods! Cheers Tony Body light aircraft grey, roundel pink bands with ACQN in 2" letters stencilled in black. Seeker head is metallic greeny grey adonised, Don't drill out the tube rear end it was blanked off. If you cut the wings of a sidewinder make sure you sand off all the coupling bands on the body Aqui rounds were a solid tube with no bands. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 On 6/5/2010 at 10:48 AM, Shar2 said: Didn't realise the bottom one was an actual aqui pod. Cool, always ready to be corrected. You certainly learn lots on this site. The bottom one is the Raids pod. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Deaf Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Thanks Selwyn, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG899 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) The ACQN rounds carried by Sea Harrier FRS1s and FA2s still had the bands around their bodies, unlike the 'smooth' ones shown on the Hawk above; two examples can be found here: https://www.airliners.net/photo/UK-Navy/British-Aerospace-Sea-Harrier-FA2/2099782/L https://www.airliners.net/photo/UK-Navy/British-Aerospace-Sea-Harrier-FA2/689897/L Hope that helps if it's a SHAR anyone is hanging these from. Cheers Nick Edited March 7, 2021 by NG899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/2/2021 at 4:27 PM, Tony Deaf said: also I was wondering if it’s legit for the RAIDS pod to cut the fins off an ASRAAM? Researched this for an article back in 2015 at which point neither the RAF nor MBDA were forthcoming about the dimensions although the dimensions for ASRAAM are readily available but by doing some photographic comparison both seem to be very close in size. Pick an ASRAAM in the scale you are working in , remove the fins as you suggest and fill any mounting slots , add the suspension straps using your preferred strips of tape, thin plastic card or thick decal and if possible scale down a photograph of the real thing to the scale size of your ASRAAM to get the spacings, For an RAF Typhoon build up the weight blocks from plastic card and sand to shape. Colour was and as far as I know still is satin white overall , some pods have a matt grey coating over the tapered area of nosecone , tip of the nosecone is usually black , there is a medium grey aerial window on the upper surface displaced to the right behind the nosecone and the memory card slot in the rear face is black. Early service Typhoon weight blocks were natural metal but later in the same white as the pod. Stencilling sourced from spares. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Deaf Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Thanks for the info Des. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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