Blacktjet Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 thankyou my friend - so the canopy is taller but the spine should still be the same height? thats what I'm reading.Jonners On the real a/c -yes but I think the difference between the two kit canopies is because of the lengthened spine on the ADV. Because HB have kept the new spine upper line a constant gradient from the fin to the canopy, the spine has ended up being higher on the F3 at the rear cockpit than on the GR1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 And did'nt Mr Soong from Trumpy request information from forums such as here & ARC,which are,IMHO,the main modelling internet sites out there at the moment.No weather they act on the information is another thing but,again IMHO,the are enough of us 'experts' on various subjects who have worked/flown/crashed on various subject's for them to approach & ask if something looks right. bit late to the thread but regarding research etc i had a chat to one of the reps at nurnberg last year and gave him my details as i was already doing research for a few aviation diecast companies. had a email a week or so after i got back to the uk,then heard nothing for months then out of the blue i get sent the scan of the typhoon decal sheet for the twin sticker asking can i check it. well it was full of spelling mistakes and wrong colours etc but the crux of the matter is they use one book and a few photos and maybe an existing kit of the subject they are making and when you mention payment forget it. anyway feel free to move or delete this post and sorry to go back offf the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 On the real a/c -yes but I think the difference between the two kit canopies is because of the lengthened spine on the ADV. Because HB have kept the new spine upper line a constant gradient from the fin to the canopy, the spine has ended up being higher on the F3 at the rear cockpit than on the GR1 Turning the above statement in plasticmodelers language does it means : 1- the canopy itself is right molded in lenght X width X height ? 2- just the F-3 canopy and/or the IDS too ? 3- to solve that over spined line just sand down it to the canopy height ? 4- from where should be the better point to start sanding straight to the canopy ? ( in milimeters, please ) ? Thank You and Good Luck. Tonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Sounds like more disapointment for the Tornado fans. Does the F-3 kits canopy fit well in the closed position? Shaun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted May 12, 2010 Author Share Posted May 12, 2010 Sounds like more disapointment for the Tornado fans.Does the F-3 kits canopy fit well in the closed position? Shaun. Hi Shaun the canopy fits fine closed, but because its too deep it throws the whole look out IMHO - sort of like an F3 charicature. Its not help by the fact that the canopy is also too overly curved along its top profoile on the front section ( over the pilots seat) - which makes it look to bulbous. I'm trying to work out if theres a fix for this, but unlike the GR canopy where its easier to add to depth for the lower framing, this is harder to figure as a straight modelling fix ( if nigh impossible). Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 (edited) Turning the above statement in plasticmodelers language does it means : 1- the canopy itself is right molded in lenght X width X height ? 2- just the F-3 canopy and/or the IDS too ? 3- to solve that over spined line just sand down it to the canopy height ? 4- from where should be the better point to start sanding straight to the canopy ? ( in milimeters, please ) ? Thank You and Good Luck. Tonka The kink in the spine on the F3 is hard to spot but this should help. Manufacturers don't get this right - a bit like the missing 'hump' in the Buccaneers spine! Edited May 12, 2010 by Blacktjet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougC Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) I own one of those rear cockpit sticks The one shown here At the risk of pointing out the very obvious.... you do know that the rear cockpit in this photo is of a single sticker? The "stick" shown is actually the Nav's Hand Controller (NHC) used by the Nav/ WSO to operate the radar & a few other systems. The few twin stick trainer F3s had a very different rear cockpit layout to accomodate flying controls, throttles, wingsweep lever, etc. And without wishing to re-open the whole "Is the canopy on the F3 the same as the GR? Yes/ No/ Maybe" debate..... I'm pretty sure they were but I'm standing by to be corrected. There, debate re-opened! Doug Edited May 13, 2010 by DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 Right - as promised - pics of the nose after its first round of modification: Its the lower area around the gun port thats been built up, the other side is still unmodified. I've also reduced the diameter of the nose cone and the circular foward fusaleg are to whihc it connects - this gives it the pinched in look. Looks a bit drastic in the pics, its actually not as kinky as thepics make out - but the kink is definirlty ther. So over to you giys. All opinions welcomed. Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousER99 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Jon, That is coming along superbly man. I can see the changes and you really made the dramatic transition to the radome look spot on. Well done man. Keep it up!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) Nice job, Jonners. I would like to see such reshape in resin aftermarket sets , as well the IDS correction too . But again : is the canopy itself right molded in lenght X width X height ? Cheers Tonka Edited May 13, 2010 by Tonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Roberts Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Funny from certain angles that nose almost looks like that on a F3H Demon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 Just a quick note to say I'm now pretty pleased with the new nose shape I have on the model, and I've found a pretty simple way of making the canopy look better, and adding the prominent lower sills. Pics this evening, so you can all see if it looks any better! Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyWan Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 So is Jonner's nose something that TwoMikes would maybe be interested in...duplicating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyconcorde Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Nice Work, I have one of these to do and would be interested to know exactly how you did the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-32 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 If there was a resin correction set available I'd definately purchase a few as I've got quite a few F-3's in the stash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaP Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 any progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 HI I finished this about 6 years ago. There are pics somewhere I can try an upload again Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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