ROGERD Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 can anybody confirm what this colour should be? I have seen( and used) so many different shades from blue through to almost black. currently building a 1/32 bearcat - using tamiya X17- would this be correct? thanks in advance Rogerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Laidlaw Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Didn't know off the top of my head, but a check on the IPMS Stockholm Colour Charts - US for the FS number, and the Ulitimate Model Paint Conversion Chart seems to confirm Tamiya XF-17. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Hi Rogerd If you are building a US Navy F8F Bearcat it should be overall Glossy Sea Blue (FS 15042) which really is a glossy version of Non specular Sea Blue (FS 35042) when new (ish) it appears quite dark in colour The Tamiya colour which is called Sea Blue as John said, is XF 17 If you click on the link and scroll to XF 17 it says Sea Blue but FS number is FS 34058 Tamiya paint chart If you click on the link to the FS Numbers and scroll to FS 34058 (under Greens) it reads Bottle Green FS Numbers It is my personal opinion the Tamiya colour is too green for US Navy Sea Blue (Non specular or Glossy) I have a bottle of Tamiya paint in my possesion, which I admit is a few years old, unless Tamiya have changed their formula your aircraft will not appear the right hue Do you have acess to other paints?? Regards Alan Edited January 18, 2010 by LDSModeller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry McGrady Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 can anybody confirm what this colour should be? I have seen( and used) so many different shades from blue through to almost black.currently building a 1/32 bearcat - using tamiya X17- would this be correct? thanks in advance Rogerd Did a Hellcat once using Tamiya Rattle can then used Tamiya Gloss and then Flat. Looked OK to my eyes. Cheers Terry McGrady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCinLA Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 can anybody confirm what this colour should be? I have seen( and used) so many different shades from blue through to almost black.currently building a 1/32 bearcat - using tamiya X17- would this be correct? thanks in advance Rogerd The best Glossy Sea Blue is the Xtracrylix Glossy Sea Blue. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I use Humbrol gloss nr 15 "midnight blue" toned down with some matt varnish to soften the shine a bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I prefer the Xtracolour or Modelmaster versions. I agree with Alan that the Tamiya has a little too much green to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Eisenman Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Here is Tamiya's instruction sheet mix: NON-SPEC. SEA BLUE:- XF17:5 + XF8:3 + XF2:2 Just gloss it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 The best Glossy Sea Blue is the Xtracrylix Glossy Sea Blue. Agree 100% there. The Xtracrylics is the only one that really captures the look of real Gloss Sea Blue paint to my eye. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David H Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) Hi Roger, I keep trying and trying and i STILL haven't found a Gloss Sea Blue that i'm happy with. FWIW, The Model Master Gloss Sea Blue is probably OK straight from the bottle for a 32nd scale model. i have never seen the Xtracrylics but if its the same as Xtracolour its probably VERY reliable. I came very close to using Humbrol Midnight Blue. So far, i have experimented by adding 3 parts MM insignia blue to 7 parts MM gloss sea blue. I got a slight lightening up of the colour, but not enough. For my next trick i'm gonna try mixing MM Gloss Sea Blue 50-50 with MM Blue Angel Blue. i might also try adding 7 parts MM Insignia blue to 3 parts MM Gloss Sea Blue. Keep in mind though i mainly do 72nd and some 48th scale, so altering the colours for scale effect is more of an issue for me than it will be for you. The introduction of FS colours occurred after the war, so WWII vintage aircraft were still painted in accordance to the ANA standards. As has been pointed out many times, Gloss Sea Blue, FS 15042 , is close to, but not the same as ANA Gloss Sea Blue. Keep in mind, you are also going to get a colour shift when you overcoat the model with clear gloss, apply washes, etc. So, factor that into account as well. Sorry to complicate the subject, but forewarned is forearmed. Its really an issue of coming up with a shade of gloss sea blue that looks good to your eye. Compare it to colour photographs, and make sure to check it in sunlight. HTH, david Edited February 1, 2010 by David H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCinLA Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Hi Roger,I keep trying and trying and i STILL haven't found a Gloss Sea Blue that i'm happy with. FWIW, The Model Master Gloss Sea Blue is probably OK straight from the bottle for a 32nd scale model. i have never seen the Xtracrylics but if its the same as Xtracolour its probably VERY reliable. I came very close to using Humbrol Midnight Blue. So far, i have experimented by adding 3 parts MM insignia blue to 7 parts MM gloss sea blue. I got a slight lightening up of the colour, but not enough. For my next trick i'm gonna try mixing MM Gloss Sea Blue 50-50 with MM Blue Angel Blue. i might also try adding 7 parts MM Insignia blue to 3 parts MM Gloss Sea Blue. Keep in mind though i mainly do 72nd and some 48th scale, so altering the colours for scale effect is more of an issue for me than it will be for you. The introduction of FS colours occurred after the war, so WWII vintage aircraft were still painted in accordance to the ANA standards. As has been pointed out many times, Gloss Sea Blue, FS 15042 , is close to, but not the same as ANA Gloss Sea Blue. Keep in mind, you are also going to get a colour shift when you overcoat the model with clear gloss, apply washes, etc. So, factor that into account as well. Sorry to complicate the subject, but forewarned is forearmed. Its really an issue of coming up with a shade of gloss sea blue that looks good to your eye. Compare it to colour photographs, and make sure to check it in sunlight. HTH, david Actually, Xtracrylix and Xtracolour are the same colors, just different kinds of paint. The entire range is the most accurate representation of colors available and to my mind should be considered the gold standard of model paints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 can anybody confirm what this colour should be? I have seen( and used) so many different shades from blue through to almost black.currently building a 1/32 bearcat - using tamiya X17- would this be correct? thanks in advance Rogerd Hello Rogerd, I have built many Gloss Sea Blue Navy and Marine aircraft and the best mix for GSB using Tamiya paints is XF17:5 + XF8:3 + XF2:2. This is what Tamiya calls out for their 1/48 Corsair. In my opinion the best GSB was made by aeromaster. It was an enamel. I have some color chips that I used to compare the Tamiya mix and it was very very close. I like spraying flat and then spraying FUTURE prior to the decals. Here's a picture of the Trumpeter F6F-5: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGERD Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hello Rogerd,I have built many Gloss Sea Blue Navy and Marine aircraft and the best mix for GSB using Tamiya paints is XF17:5 + XF8:3 + XF2:2. This is what Tamiya calls out for their 1/48 Corsair. In my opinion the best GSB was made by aeromaster. It was an enamel. I have some color chips that I used to compare the Tamiya mix and it was very very close. I like spraying flat and then spraying FUTURE prior to the decals. Here's a picture of the Trumpeter F6F-5: thanks for all the advice and infornation, in the end I used Tamiya XF17, looks close enough for me nice build of the hellcat by the way, I yet to start mine -will be a FAA photo reece job, just reserching this at the moment Thanks Rogerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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