eng Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Silly one probably been asked a hundred times before, but whose mould did Revell re-release last year for there boxing of the Lightning F.6? Is it the Hase kit? Rgds, Eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasweir Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Silly one probably been asked a hundred times before, but whose mould did Revell re-release last year for there boxing of the Lightning F.6? Is it the Hase kit?Rgds, Eng I think it is the Hasegawa mould, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuflyer Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 It's definitley Hase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 It's definitley Hase. I don't think that that's strictly correct!!! I believe that it's the old Frog kit! Many moons ago, Frog & Hasegawa shared moulds (this would have been around 1970!) and they were all but identical. Frog and Hasegawa went their own ways, and Revell bought these moulds fairly recently (along with the Shackleton, Canberra B(I)8 and maybe one or two others that I can't recall at the moment!). Hasegawa have since upgraded their tool - to incorporate the belly canons - Frog's (and therefore Revell's) kit never saw these "improvements". To complicate matters Revell also purchased old Matchbox moulds, and they released the Matchbox F6/F2a - though I think(?) under the Matchbox label..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Bill, the Frog tooling went walkies behind the old Iron Curtain, I'd be surprised if Revell managed to resurrect it. I think the most recent Revell release was recognised as 'Cooperation Hasegawa' by one or two of the German websites and that would seem to be a reasonable assumption - that Revell bought a job lot of Hasegawa moulded sprues. I can't ever recall seeing any of the Matchbox sprues in Revell boxes, although to my mind it would be a better bet for the punter. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I'm not 100% certain, but I seem to recall that the box on this one carries the wording 'Made in Japan.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I heard that when Frog and Hasegawa had their tie up, there were two Lightning tools done. Frog got one and Hasegawa got t'other. The Frog one went east when the company went down and the Russians bought everything that Frog had bar the Axis kits (for obvious reasons). This is the one that's been in various Frogspawn boxings, inc Novo and Eastern Express. In the mid 90s, Revell did a deal with whoever had the moulds to release a number of British aircraft for the UK market - Canberra, Lightning, Shackleton, Skua and Sea Vixen - but the moulds were below their standard. Revell then paid for them to be cleaned up and had a batch run off and they repackaged them with some quality decals, although some were better than others. Sadly, they didn't sell too well, the modelling press slated them and Revell didn't do another run. The Shackletons were kamikazed in price - £3 each from some bargain shops and £4 in ASDA! Meanwhile, the Hasegawa tooling got some slight mods in the mid 80s, adding the belly tank guns and such extravagant cockpit detail such as a floor and a stick! This is the tooling that Revell recently repopped. Easy way to tell them apart is the box art. 11 sqn markings over grey/green camo = Novo. ADV greys with 5 Sqn markings = Hasegawa. I'd avoid the latter and go for the Hasegawa boxing. It's cheaper by a fiver. TBH, there's not a lot to choose between them as whichever kit you do, you'll need to do a lot of work to bring it up to a decent standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I heard that when Frog and Hasegawa had their tie up, there were two Lightning tools done. Frog got one and Hasegawa got t'other. The Frog one went east when the company went down and the Russians bought everything that Frog had bar the Axis kits (for obvious reasons). This is the one that's been in various Frogspawn boxings, inc Novo and Eastern Express. That is more or less correct. The 1968-74 release was from Hasegawa sprues, but the 1975 release was from duplicate tooling 'differing only in detail' to quote Lines/Hellstrom. This is almost certainly the tooling that went to the former Soviet Union as part of the Novo deal. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmk.6john Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Ok my heads still buzzing from work and although I have read all of the above, my noggin hurts!!!!!. Here is my two peneth, I naturally have both boxings and my observations are thus, the Revell kit (04301) is moulded from the SAME moulds as the Hasegawa kit (00245), the only difference is the quality of the plastic, the Hase kit being superior, the sprues are identical in every way right down to flash leakage which indicates they are from the same mould. They are even bagged identically!!, the decals are on par with eacother for quality but the Hase decals just beat the Revell on accuracy, offering more complete markings. Like it has been said before, it was almost a criminal act that Revell should release this kit for the grand sum of £12 when the Hase kit was still available at half that price, needless to say I have 6 of the Hase ones and only one Revell kit for the collection. Regards, JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Much as I love Lightnings, I flatly refused to be ripped of by Revell. Much as I dislike Hasegawa, I'd rather buy their boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmk.6john Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 It's deffinatly the better of the two, even the box-art is better! JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMG Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I have a Revell re-issue of the old Frog kit in the stash I believe. It always amused me that it had a virtual apology printed on the box! Something along the lines of - "this is an old Frog kit so we know it's not quite up to scratch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 That's the 1996 issue. The Shackleton had the same apology in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted August 26, 2009 Author Share Posted August 26, 2009 Wow I never for one moment thought I'd stumbled into such a minefield. I'm planning on picking up a Revell F.6 and if it's from the Hase mould it'll do as the "quickbuild" I intend it to be. Thank's for all the info, very interesting to see how moulds move about over the years! Eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 If the Hasegawa one is on the shelf, buy that instead and save yourself a fiver. Pavla do a nice cockpit set intended for the Hasegawa kit and I think it's about a fiver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 All good stuff......one thing though, and a lot will depend on how seriously (or not!) you take your modelling (all sorts catered for here!!)m the Hasegawa/Frog kit is pretty awful! There are major accuracy issues with the wings, fuselage canopy, undercarriage....... That said the Trumpy kit isn't that much better and three times the cost!! The old Matchbox kit is probably the best - but not by much!!! About time Airfix down-sized the 1/48th kits!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_hopkirk Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) I don't think that that's strictly correct!!! I believe that it's the old Frog kit! Many moons ago, Frog & Hasegawa shared moulds (this would have been around 1970!) and they were all but identical. Frog and Hasegawa went their own ways, and Revell bought these moulds fairly recently (along with the Shackleton, Canberra B(I)8 and maybe one or two others that I can't recall at the moment!). Frog and Hasegawa actually just traded bagged-up shot kits, leaving each company to box add instructions and decals for their respective markets - the moulds themselves went nowhere. I pretty sure Revell did a similar thing and just bought in shot kits with whoever owned the moulds and boxed them up. One can add the venerable Frog Lightship to the list as well. Marty... Edited August 28, 2009 by marty_hopkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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