Stéphane Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hum, let's try to be contructive for once !!! and not have this topic polluted by Mike That won't be closed, there is a framing ... Pics below : Copyright the WWP books about the Mk. IX (if it's unlawful, just let me know I will remove these) HTH cheers Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 05-10-07 Stephane: Excellent! Exactly what I was looking for! wonder if I should attempt it or just wig out? Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 05-10-07 Stephane: I reckon, just for clarity, that the red arrowed section is what's relevant ot my needs?? Thanks again, excellent pictures. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 05-10-07 Actually, looking at the first picture, what are these and do you think they're visible with the cowling removed and the engine in place? I know that sounds like a dumb question, but I can see where it connects to the firewall, but I am thinking that htese are some sort of attachement piece t o the wings? What shape are they? I wonder, would hte Germans have removed these bits to help fit the DB605? Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hello, yes, the red arrow covers the area you're interested in; however be aware that on the pic, the wing is down under. Your arrow actually points intrados. I don't think the germans would have remove it, since it has to do do with wing attachment, and more IIRC, with the wing main spar, so I guess you want to leave it in place, that is if you intend to fly with that "thingysserschpit". Now, end the futile excuses not to do the framing and get the Evergreen stripes out ! Cheers Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 06-10-07 Just for Stephane, then: i am not going to super-detail this area as I am not yet at that kind of level with my modelling, plus I think a lot of this will be hidden or obscured by the engine and the cowling that I put in place over this section,,, but a part it might be seen and it's coll to know that it's there and that I did it.... Thanks again Stephane. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 You're most welcome Liam, was my pleasure .... Well, to me your framing is spot on and just what is need for the scale ... cheers.. Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 10-10-07 Update time: Not nearly spending hte hours I need on this to get 'er done, but it's coming along nicely now....at least it looks like a Spitfire! But I do have a question for the Spitfire Gurus.... See the red arrows point to the sections under the wings that look like flap extentions?? My question is: should there be a panel line there? I mean, is it all one unit that deploys when landing/taking off or are there two seperate sections here..the small one indicated and the larger section beside it?? Thanks in advance Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entlim Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Where's Edgar when you need him............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hello again, It's depressing to feed intel to a guy who disfigure a poorSpit that way !!! But to answer your question, there is a panel line, indeed on the fuselage and on the flap itself, which goes down as one piece. more, most of the time, the flaps are closed on the ground, at least for british Spits, as it was a direct order to have evrything in neutral. Now of course I don't think the germans would have done so. IIRC, I think I read somewhere that there was a fine for the brit pilot if he left the plan with all flaps etc not neutral. One shall not take discipline and order lightly in the RAF, Pal !! Cheers Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 11-10-07 Stephane...have you any reference that might show how the brake lines ran dwon the land gear stryts please? I am getting those ready to attach soon and just would appreciate some clarification. Thanks in advance Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Hello, Will dig in the books, but I certainly have. Back to you tomorrow morning with my findings. Cheers Stef (#6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Hello, Here ya go ! http://rrgriffon.free.fr/forum/spit_lg.jpg add it under link form, as it's quite a large pic (318ko). cheers Stef (#6) Spitomaniac on watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 14-10-07 Stephane: Excellent. Thank you once again. It seems to a slim cable, even on the real thing. Mike: Could you post those pics you have of the underneath ( of the nose) of the Fusion conversion kit, please? I think we thought you'd done already, but you hadn;t. Also, just wondering, how to break down the nose section as if for maintenace? As in, how many pieces? I know the cowling was a custom job, but am getting to the stage where I'll need to sort that out...since I'll be showing hte engine... Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) 15-10-07 I have hit a small problem with fitting the DB605... In order to get the engine into the correct postion ( as near as I can tell), I need to remove this. Which looks like this part on the real thing... Is this anything to do with the electrical system? It might not be a bad thing to lose it as it's known that the Germans replaced the English system with one of their own. Either way, it has to be removed. Damn. Liam Still working on the cowl....had it ok, then when I attempted to fit it all together, it wouldn't sit right on the engine..i know I'll be displaying the engine as visible, but would like the various cowling bits to actually fit together... I'll post pics when I get it right. Edited October 15, 2007 by yeehah1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Mike: Could you post those pics you have of the underneath ( of the nose) of the Fusion conversion kit, please? I think we thought you'd done already, but you hadn;t. I have I have I have! I'll find them now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) 15-10-07 Update: It's fair to say, that in the past few days, this project almost ended up in the bin! Given what I spent on it in terms of add-ons...well... A few days ago, I started on the upper cowling... I removed the two center strips as I felt it needed a flatter top as it transitioned from the flatter top of the Spitfire to the rounder top cowling of the Bf 110 used. Taking a break tonight and this is how far I have come. The cowling is only tacked onto the Spitfire fuselage...and you can see the hodge-podge of bits..resin, kit, styrene and filler. After I am happy with the shape and general fit, I'll separate the relevant bits to show off the engine. And there are problems there too, the main one being that the air scoop on the fuselage side does not match up with the Aires part it needs to on the engine when the engine is in the right place. If I move the scoop, it'll be too low....but with the cowling off, no-one will know. And with the cowling on, no-one will know. Hee hee! Laughing Boy Liam Edited October 15, 2007 by yeehah1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Here she is Here's the nose shots again for comparison purposes: Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 15-10-07 Perfick, Mike. Just Perfick. I can see that I have a little extra to add to the exhausts. I could see that lip in other photos, but not so clearly. Interesting that there's a line down the middle underneath and it's good to see how it joins to the main body underneath as well. Thank you...it helps loads...I can see an end in sight now to the major work....it's all fiddle-dee dee stuff after I get the cowling underneath sorted... Guess I'll be filling, filing and sanding for the rest of the week! I know I aksed this elsewhere, but I am tired and the brain is a little addled....when you say that Spitfire Vb's /Vc's had smooth tyres, does that mean not tread at all or did they have the concentric ribs that ran around their circumference (as opposed to the block tread)? Coffee. I need coffee. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary West Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Doing a great job there Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 24-10-07 Update time: Ok ... i changed the firewall set up. The reasoning behind this is that it is known that the Germans had to adapt or create a new harness to hold the DB605 in the Spitfire airframe. I could get no further information as to what this might have looked like or how complex or simple it might have been. I know that they changed the electrical systems, sooooo, after considering it, I cut up the firewall given in the Aires set and sanded it down and stuck it in place. It looks the part and dresses this area up nicely. (and as no-one knows what it really looked like..... ) This is what the bottom part of the cowling looks like from the inside. It's a real Frankenstien effort...some bits from the Revell 1/32 Bf110 kit, plastic strip and filler. It's a bit rough here, but has since been sanded smooth and it fits ok to the spinner. I also realised that I was thinking of the cowling in terms of the Me109 and that's a mistake as it was a "modified" cowling from a Bf110 that was used. Head on shot. Looks a bit off-kilter, but as mentioned, there was a heavy sanding session last night and I think I have it more squared away. I am not 100% certain here, but I think I have the exhaust stubs at the wrong angle. It's not so noticable when the cowling is off, but I am not going to worry about that now. And that's it for now. I have added the necessary bits above and around the exhausts and have scribed whatever lines where needed. There's a bit of detail to go inside the lower cowling, but this might affect the fit, so, I might not add it and leave that part flush to the bottom of the engine...instead of displaying it swung down for maintenace. The upper cowling will be removed and cut where it needs to be .... Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Watching this is fascinating, but only begs the question..... what must the Jerries have gone through for the real thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 25-10-07 Apparently, much the same thing...they abandoned their first attempt completely and then after a few months had another crack at it. It worked the second time around and by all accounts, was quite successful and a popluar little go-buggy for Luftwaffe pilots looking for a joyride.... ...until the Americans broke it in a bombing raid! Liam (cowling just about done...broke a piece sanding it last night and need to re-do it....will post piccies tomorrow. Mike: did you have an issue with the camo job on hte original? I seem to recall an thread here where you and Jen discussed a demarcation line and such....can you link to it agin please?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeehah1 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 25-10-07 S'okay Mike, found it. I was thinking, just to liven the paint job up, that I'd use Jen's suggestion( kinda) of RLM 75 overall on top with RLM 70 along the spine and ( what looks like) cammo stripe on the wings. Now, I know nothing about Luftwaffe cammo colours or designs, but isn't there a Me109 pattern like this from around the same time? Some sort of wavy line along the spine with straight-line demarcations across the wings? Can someone post a drawing showing this as reference for me please? Pretty please?? Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 S'okay Mike, found it. Sorry chum... I've been away from the PC for most of the day. Also had a visit from Nige & we shot the poo-poo out of a target down the bottom of my garden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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