The wooksta V2.0 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 The PRXIX isn't without it's faults (radiator shape) but still a fantastic kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touvdal Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I just think that it is quit ironic that Airfix in the 1970'es released the best spitfire mk 1 made, and now 2009 can not even make at bf 109 that is close to the orginal look. sad cheers Jes ps just canceled my order for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 26, 2009 Author Share Posted July 26, 2009 Finished! I will add a thread in the Critique section later but here's one picture for now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well, I can't claim to belong to the band of Bf109 Experten, but that captures the look rather nicely to me. Excellent build, by the way. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkeEins Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) .. .agree with you Jes/Joachim/Graham/Nick - definitely won't be rushing out to get any of these.. even the very cheap Intech 109 did the cowl Beulen separately - this 'new' Airfix effort looks very poor. Problems around the nose too..toy-like detail... I can't believe we've been eagerly awaiting this! ...neat finish on the very dark Brändle scheme though ! Edited July 26, 2009 by FalkeEins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Another thing which a mate who's building it pointed out, they've bolloxed the Erla hood as well, although some may have already pointed it out. He's removed the bumps with some judicious sanding and added them from a Heller G. Nice job, Jase! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 26, 2009 Author Share Posted July 26, 2009 More photo's in the Critique forum here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 26, 2009 Author Share Posted July 26, 2009 ...neat finish on the very dark Brändle scheme though ! I hadn't realised it was supposed to be dark, I just thought I'd mixed the paints too dark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard M Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Knowing next to nothing about Bf 109 details.....the large intake on the left of the cowling, shouldn't that be an open intake? It didn't it have a screen or trapdoor to close it when stationary? (That's a comment on the kit, not the build- which is excellent). Best Rich Edited July 27, 2009 by Richard M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Knowing next to nothing about Bf 109 details.....the large intake on the left of the cowling, shouldn't that be an open intake? It didn't it have a screen or trapdoor to close it when stationary? (That's a comment on the kit, not the build- which is excellent).Best Rich I think it should be open. The Academy and Fine Molds kits are hollowed-out. The Airfix kit is solid. I've painted the end of it black to give the impression that it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 i have noticed summat else.....(sorry,Airfix)... The Tailplanes are TOTALLY wrong,for the Finnish variant !! The Kit only comes with the earlier METAL Tail assembly, with NO provision for an alternative Taller,WOODEN tail,as fitted to later '109 G's(AS) What a man-vegetables-up !! Deffo not their finest moment,but i suppose as long as Kids buy it,& continue buying it,(& others...), then the ulterior objective's been kind of achieved !! i hate to crucify Airfix,as i have a soft spot for them,as do other B.M'ers, but,the opportunity has been somewhat wasted,for a semi-decent Late-War '109,from our premier BRITISH kit maker. Cheerio,Bazza. (& seeing,as i have other '109 G's in my stash,maybe give this a miss.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 i have noticed summat else.....(sorry,Airfix)...The Tailplanes are TOTALLY wrong,for the Finnish variant !! The Kit only comes with the earlier METAL Tail assembly, with NO provision for an alternative Taller,WOODEN tail,as fitted to later '109 G's(AS) What a man-vegetables-up !! Deffo not their finest moment,but i suppose as long as Kids buy it,& continue buying it,(& others...), then the ulterior objective's been kind of achieved !! i hate to crucify Airfix,as i have a soft spot for them,as do other B.M'ers, but,the opportunity has been somewhat wasted,for a semi-decent Late-War '109,from our premier BRITISH kit maker. Cheerio,Bazza. (& seeing,as i have other '109 G's in my stash,maybe give this a miss.) Not being a 109 expert I don't know what you mean about the tailplanes. I didn't realise the Finnish used different tailplanes to the Germans. I've compare the instructions for the Fine Molds 109 and they use the same parts for both the Finnish and German aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 It isn't a Finnish/German thing, late war 109's used a different tail from the earlier versions. Bazza's saying the Finnish aircraft should feature that design. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jase Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) It isn't a Finnish/German thing, late war 109's used a different tail from the earlier versions. Bazza's saying the Finnish aircraft should feature that design.John Okay thanks. Is the later fin the one that has a stright rudder instead of going diagonal at the top? If that's the case then it seems like Fine Molds got that wrong too. Here's the Finnish Markings from the Fine Molds kit. The tail looks the same as the Airfix one to my untrained eye. Edited July 27, 2009 by Jazzy Jase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I suspect this isn't cut and dried. This photo seems to show the newer style of canopy but the older tail: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/fintac-3.htm John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexwh773 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Ive got one, and to be honest for the price and scale, Im happy with it. Nowt a little tinkering here and there wont fix. Looking rather nice there Jazzy, thanks for doing the WIP. Bexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango India Mike Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 So the tailplanes are fine, but the fin and rudder are open to question? I'll keep an eye on this thread, as I want to build one or two Finnish '109s some day...I wouldn't like to get them wrong. I sure wish those Fine Moulds kits were available here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I'm not sure that the Finns got any G-14s - they'd switched sides before the DB605AS and DB605D engined versions came out. G-6s with the Erla hood are fairly common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radish Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The Finnish '109s....those late ones with the tall tail, had them retrospectively fitted after the war with the earlier tale. Some may have kept their early hoods, some the later Erla style. Always best to check with photos though, so look on t'net for confirmation. Looking at the model....nicely built, but the kit is wrong in so many ways. OK for the What if? Iraqi Air Force version built post-war in 1946. I'm not buying one...I've enough small scale '109Gs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ok,Ok,Ok,i got that slightly wrong,my mistake.....!! i suspect the Finns used BOTH types of Bf 109 Tails...?? It's a case of checking available references,really,(thanks for THAT photo,BTW). i stand humbled,& corrected.(up to a point). Cheers,Bazza. (As for getting that Kit,i'd only accept it as a gift,OR as a raffle prize.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heraldcoupe Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So the tailplanes are fine, but the fin and rudder are open to question? There was more than one style of tall tail used on the late-model Bf-109s. I found this article quite helpful in interpreting phiotographs of my chosen subjects, Cheers, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bunker Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm just back from my local model shop - four new Airfix kits hit the shelf (Spitfire XIX, Bf 109G, Red Arrows Hawk, Hawk 128), the first to sell out was the 109, followed by the Spitfire and they have just a few of each Hawk left looks like Airfix may not have satisfied the cognoscenti with the 109, but the customers like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Model 109s always sell, and so does this new Airfix thing. I saw one today in my LHS, and the nose shape is simply awful. A simple cone....nothing like the changes in shape and section of the real thing. I find it difficult to believe that the person responsible for designing (and approving!) this ever saw a real 109, or any plans, or any of the better models available. The owner told me at a previous buyer had nothing but praise, that it fitted together wonderfully with not a touch of filler. Wow, it fits together. I guess that's the bottom line in kit design, for the top manufacturers, but it would be better to have something a little further off the bottom, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Zen Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Those trench lines.... gaaaaaahh!!! I think I'll pass on this one. And for the other new Airfix kits for that matter, except for the Spit IX (unless Hase suddenly reboxes their own, which is a possibility if they have some market sense). Airfix's long-awaited return honestly seems sorely disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard M Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Hopefully this post will make it in before the imminent arrival of the appocalypse brought about by the release of this kit..... Pure assumption on my part, but I figure these are the first of the entirely Hornby originated toolings. Therefore they are probably trying a number of different design approaches/teams/companies, in the same way they tried a variety of decal producers before figuring that Cartograf was the way forward. The 109 seems a direct replacement for the old tool with a few changes and recessed panel lines, not a quantum leap forward. The PR Spit and Hawks by contrast seem very well done - hopefully we will see more of this type of tooling produced (the PR Spit I mean!). I think if you are one of the many people who kept the old Bf 109, Defiant and Spit IX in the catalogues due to sales, then you'll be really pleased with the fit and finish of the new BF109, particularily at this price point. If you are a BF109 enthusiast hoping for a bargain price FineMolds equivalent, you're going to be disappointed (bitterly disappointed). Personally, at this price, I can accept and make up for the deficiencies with a bit of scratchbuilding, drilling, carving and sanding and produce something I enjoyed making. Best Rich (Hoping a new tool Bf110 will be done by the team who did the PR Spit and will turn out to be the dogs danglies!) Edited July 28, 2009 by Richard M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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