Skii Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ow do chaps - possibly a question for our bobski this or anyone who has built this kit... I've got a nice Revell 1/48 kit here, which I intend to build with a seated pilot figure I want it to have a fairly interesting loadout, and have a bit of weathering with some subtle panel shades and washing, does anyone have any recommendations of what squadron or loadout I can do ? air to air / or air to ground ? aftermarket decals ? should I add the pirate sensor ? consider me a complete novice to this aircraft ! cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousER99 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ow do chaps - possibly a question for our bobski this or anyone who has built this kit...I've got a nice Revell 1/48 kit here, which I intend to build with a seated pilot figure I want it to have a fairly interesting loadout, and have a bit of weathering with some subtle panel shades and washing, does anyone have any recommendations of what squadron or loadout I can do ? air to air / or air to ground ? aftermarket decals ? should I add the pirate sensor ? consider me a complete novice to this aircraft ! cheers John Hey John I know of a certain little aftermarket company that has a few nifty bits!! Oh and Two Bobs also has some slick decals for it. I would go air to ground, makes it look meaner!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 John, A mate of mine has been posted to 6 Sqn,we were SAC Armourers way back when,I'll drop him a line & ask if they have any intersting 'loadouts' if you like. Merv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I've seen pictures of the Tiffies at Warton carrying 8 LGBs , with a Sniper pod on the centreline, though I believe this is primarily for show. I'd say a more realistic air to ground load out would be LGBs on the first and third pylons, tanks on the second pylon and an ASRAAM/Sidewinder (AIM-9L perhaps?) on the outboards. Probably should have a Sniper pod on the centreline as well. Should look something similar to the final two pics in this set of pics on UKAR If you're going for an air to air loadout, the typical QRA load out consists of tanks on the second pylons, ASRAAMS on the outboards and an AMRAAM in each of the under-fuselage recesses. The first, third and centreline pylons are not usually present. You'll probably need the PIRATE sensor, unless you model a specific aircraft that doesn't;t have it. This will likely only be an early production F.2 though as those rolling off the production line will be fitted with them, and most (if not all eventually) tranche 1 aircraft will have them fitted. It is also necessary if you model an FGR4 with an air to ground loadout. I'm sure Bobski will be along shortly to tell me I'm completely wrong, but I think that's the gist of things HTH Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 aftermarket decals ? Two Bobs or MA, the latter have the correct stencils for the RAF aircaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) Go air to air!! How about the '11 Sqn interceptor' it's on the TwoBob's sheet as well! http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-.../20080641280809 Either way, can't wait to see some in-progress pic's soon, Rgds, Eng Edited June 16, 2009 by eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV107 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 At the moment, cleared air to ground loads are Paveway II and Free-Fall 1000lb bomb (abbreviated to KFF). Paveway IV is being flown about on clearance trials, but there are reports of some problems with the software (although some of the 'this renders the Typhoon useless for modern war' stuff floating about at this news is a load of old cobblers). I would hazard a guess that Brimstone might be cleared for use with 12 months or so if the money is there. The designator pod is a Litening III. Sniper XR may be added to the mix in due course, but is not currently fielded, so don't go fitting your Shawn Hull Snipers to a Typhoon just yet. You'll have to fashion a pylon for the Litening yourself, though. Max bombload is 6, not eight - the outboard pylons are for ASRAAM (or IRIS-T) only. Every other underwing pylon can carry a PWII or 1,000lb bomb. Two ships have been seen with one aircraft carrying six PWII and a centreline tank, with the second having two of the bombs replaced by the underwing tanks, and a Litening on the centreline. Standard QRA fit is two tanks, four AIM-120 and four ASRAAM (two on the outboard pylons and the other two on the pylons immediately inboard of those). 17 Squadron have flown a six AIM-120 and two ASRAAM fit, with the underwing tanks. So far, only 17 (the Op Evaluation Unit), 29 (OCU), 3 and 11 have aircraft; AIUI, 6 Squadron is starting to have people posted to it (as with Spike's friend), but does not yet have aircraft although (and I'm going from memory here) that will change before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 At the moment, cleared air to ground loads are Paveway II and Free-Fall 1000lb bomb (abbreviated to KFF). Paveway IV is being flown about on clearance trials, but there are reports of some problems with the software (although some of the 'this renders the Typhoon useless for modern war' stuff floating about at this news is a load of old cobblers). I would hazard a guess that Brimstone might be cleared for use with 12 months or so if the money is there. The designator pod is a Litening III. Sniper XR may be added to the mix in due course, but is not currently fielded, so don't go fitting your Shawn Hull Snipers to a Typhoon just yet. You'll have to fashion a pylon for the Litening yourself, though. Max bombload is 6, not eight - the outboard pylons are for ASRAAM (or IRIS-T) only. Every other underwing pylon can carry a PWII or 1,000lb bomb. Two ships have been seen with one aircraft carrying six PWII and a centreline tank, with the second having two of the bombs replaced by the underwing tanks, and a Litening on the centreline. Standard QRA fit is two tanks, four AIM-120 and four ASRAAM (two on the outboard pylons and the other two on the pylons immediately inboard of those). 17 Squadron have flown a six AIM-120 and two ASRAAM fit, with the underwing tanks. So far, only 17 (the Op Evaluation Unit), 29 (OCU), 3 and 11 have aircraft; AIUI, 6 Squadron is starting to have people posted to it (as with Spike's friend), but does not yet have aircraft although (and I'm going from memory here) that will change before too long. Mate, Chances are you know him too.(Check PM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skii Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 Guys thats a fantastic help, much appreciated and thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 *Cracks his knuckles* Here we go... Markings - if you want an air-to-surface loadout on an in-service jet, your best bet is to use either 17 Sqn or 11 Sqn markings. You'll also need to make sure it is an FGR.4 by adding the PIRATE sensor to the nose, and check your references to ensure that the jet you're building is actually an FGR.4 (although to be fair all of the Tranche 1 jets will get the upgrade in due course...) Air-to-surface weapons - at present in RAF service you are limited to Paveway II and 1,000lb iron bombs (as XV107 says). These can be hung on any of the six wing stations, but in service are most often seen on the inboard pylons (so you'll need to get a pair from TwoMikes). Currently the only LDP cleared on the jet is the LITENING III, which is hung from the centreline pylon. You'll have to scratchbuild that as there isn't one in resin yet. If you wanted you could do a development jet. Either use some spare numbers to do the ZJ700 serial on IPA 5 or get the Model Alliance RAF Typhoon sheet for the IPA 6 decals and do a jet with a development load. Then you could either load up to six Paveway IVs, or go nuts with "what if" development loadouts (Paveway III or Storm Shadow). Air-to-air - In RAF service you are looking at one or two pairs of ASRAAMs, a pair of wing tanks and four AMRAAMs for QRA. This is done either by 3 Sqn or 11 Sqn, so markings for either of those would be appropriate. If you did a QRA jet you'd need to scratchbuild the launch rails for the outboard pylons. These are the same basic size, length and shape as the integrated tip stub pylons, except these are plain launch rails without any dispensers. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished build! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skii Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 Thanks for the info Bobski, to be honest I'm leaning toward an F2 at the moment but this has given me lots to think about. I'll definately pick up the single seat Two-Bobs decal set for sure. Thanks again John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) I forgot to add in the bit about development jets - IPA 5 and IPA 6 (the two single-seat development jets at BAE) both have PIRATE sensors on the nose. We also have a pair of twin-seaters for development work - IPA 1 and BT005/ZJ804. Neither have PIRATE, although they can and do often carry air-to-surface loads for tests. IPA 1 has non-standard white ZJ699 numerals on the tail. BT005/ZJ804 is an RAF jet and has standard numerals on the rear fuselage, but it has no squadron markings as it is operated by BAE and not the RAF. All are painted in standard RAF grey. Edited June 18, 2009 by Bobski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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