Efeso Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) Hello, wanted to ask if somebody have good experience in cheaper models of airbrushes from Mr.Hobby/GSI Creos company. I'm buying model PS-268 and wonder if somebody used it before, there are only reviews on the net with new and clean deliveries, but nothing after years of normal usage from the users. Cleaning by removing the needle backward looks a bit scary for me. My current Adler AD-7720 I clean by removing the neddle pushing it forward where the paint should go during painting. Isn't it problematic in Procon's airbrushes? Are they maybe easy to clean? 1/8(S) connection is the same like 1/8"Z but it's only language difference? Edited January 12 by Efeso added one more question
flyboy2610 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I've never used this particular brand of airbrush, but as far as cleaning the needle by puling it backwards I agree it would be better to pull it out forwards if possible. My Badger Patriot 105 has to have the needle removed backwards, so when I use that brush I just try and get the front end as clean as possible, to where no more paint is coming out with the cleaner, then pull the needle. I haven't had any problems yet, and I've used that brush for at least 5 years.
Steve McArthur Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Pulling the needle out the back is pretty standard for normal cleaning. The thing I avoid is pulling the small nozzle off the airbrushes on a regular basis. I follow Iwatas guidelines on this page https://www.iwata-airbrush.com/airbrush-cleaning.html 1
franky boy Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I have a PS270, I’ve had it for about 5 years. It’s a great airbrush IMHO, I’ve never had any trouble with it. I always pull the needle out frontways to clean and haven’t ever had a problem. The very front of the head assembly, the nozzle, is very small and difficult to get anything into to clean it so I leave in some thinners for a couple of hours and that sorts it. HTH James
Greg B Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, franky boy said: I have a PS270, I’ve had it for about 5 years. It’s a great airbrush IMHO, I’ve never had any trouble with it. I always pull the needle out frontways to clean and haven’t ever had a problem. The very front of the head assembly, the nozzle, is very small and difficult to get anything into to clean it so I leave in some thinners for a couple of hours and that sorts it. HTH James Pulling the needle out backwards causes no issues whatsoever. Certainly far less risky than removing the nozzle every time as it will need resealing with a touch of beeswax. I've had an Iwata for 20 years and its still utterly reliable and consistent. As for cleaning the nozzle, these are dirt cheap on ebay: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/387026920469?chn=ps&_ul=AU&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-166974-041499-5&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=387026920469&targetid=2304343365564&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9072022&poi=&campaignid=22094974299&mkgroupid=173744615472&rlsatarget=pla-2304343365564&abcId=10155513&merchantid=5336532140&geoid=9072022&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA7Y28BhAnEiwAAdOJUBqX_6nu5tbJ_6fsMZnWDni6UpvKeqXlSn33vs9gJE76N0Mgwb4O-hoCVnQQAvD_BwE Absorbent paper and small enough to get in there therefore will not damage the nozzle at all. I add a little bit of thinners to them if I'm doing a complete strip and clean of the brush. 3 2
TheKinksFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 19 hours ago, Efeso said: I'm buying model PS-268 and wonder if somebody used it before I have a Procon Boy PS-268. But as it is a single action airbrush, I use it only to spray Vallejo Matte Varnish. There's no precision, so it's best suited for just covering a large area. So you cannot increase the paint flow by pulling the trigger back, like in a double action airbrush, but you screw and unscrew the needle itself. It is high quality though. I suggest that if possible you consider another Procon Boy, a more user friendly double action one. Edited January 13 by TheKinksFan
dromia Posted January 13 Posted January 13 The Procon range are good quality airbrushes but as has been pointed out the model you have chosen is about their most basic. For my money no the Procon range has been overshadowed in cheap but quality airbrush market by the Gaalheri range, Their top quality Mobius .2 & .3 airbrushes are the bees knees. The .2 is so good I can't tell the difference in spray quality 'tween that and my Custom Micron .18. The build quality is top notch and the internal chroming makes cleaning so easy. At a little over £70 I cannot think of a reason not to buy one.
Efeso Posted January 13 Author Posted January 13 9 hours ago, TheKinksFan said: I have a Procon Boy PS-268. But as it is a single action airbrush, I use it only to spray Vallejo Matte Varnish. There's no precision, so it's best suited for just covering a large area. So you cannot increase the paint flow by pulling the trigger back, like in a double action airbrush, but you screw and unscrew the needle itself. It is high quality though. I suggest that if possible you consider another Procon Boy, a more user friendly double action one. My AD-7720 also is single action and powered by trigger, so my first difference will be an different way of holding it and launching flow by pressing from the top. I paint only 1/24 scale cars, so I paint in most cases chassis and body panels for one color, so for this case 0.5 or 0.4 in airbrush may be better option since I don't need to paint small dots or thin lines but to cover huge area with single paint. That's why I selected this 0.4 and single action, I was sure that this type of models need something similar to spray guns.
TheKinksFan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 40 minutes ago, Efeso said: My AD-7720 also is single action and powered by trigger, so my first difference will be an different way of holding it and launching flow by pressing from the top. I paint only 1/24 scale cars, so I paint in most cases chassis and body panels for one color, so for this case 0.5 or 0.4 in airbrush may be better option since I don't need to paint small dots or thin lines but to cover huge area with single paint. That's why I selected this 0.4 and single action, I was sure that this type of models need something similar to spray guns. I had a Sparmax pistol grip airbrush which I sold, and have another one from Gaahleri now. Pistol grip airbrushes are not single action but dual action, you first pull the trigger, and first only air comes out, and then when you pull further, air mixed with air. As far I know all pistol grip airbrushes are like this, unless unless yours is different. When you use PS-268, you pull the trigger down, and if the needle is screwed shut, no paint will come out. You have to screw open the needle -in effect it will pull the needle back and open the nozzle. It is quite awkward to use.
Steve McArthur Posted January 13 Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, Efeso said: My AD-7720 also is single action and powered by trigger, so my first difference will be an different way of holding it and launching flow by pressing from the top. I paint only 1/24 scale cars, so I paint in most cases chassis and body panels for one color, so for this case 0.5 or 0.4 in airbrush may be better option since I don't need to paint small dots or thin lines but to cover huge area with single paint. That's why I selected this 0.4 and single action, I was sure that this type of models need something similar to spray guns. For your use case, your airbrush sounds like a fine choice. More people should try single action brushes for simple tasks. My first airbrush was a single action Badger 200 siphon feed that most people on here would dismiss as completely inadequate because it's not double action or gravity feed. It was my only airbrush for 20 years and still one I use frequently. I only build 1/48 airplanes and routinely did freehand camo with it.
PattheCat Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Steve McArthur said: For your use case, your airbrush sounds like a fine choice. More people should try single action brushes for simple tasks. My first airbrush was a single action Badger 200 siphon feed that most people on here would dismiss as completely inadequate because it's not double action or gravity feed. It was my only airbrush for 20 years and still one I use frequently. I only build 1/48 airplanes and routinely did freehand camo with it. I first had an external mix spraygun and then a Badger 200. It's literally indestructible and well suited for priming, base coat, clear coat. For camo, well, there is masking. But personally, nowadays, I'd recommend a double action with a mechanism to limit paint flow. I have Harder&Steenbeck airbrushes now (Evolution Silverline and Ultra 2024) and never used a GSI airbrush. But GSIs being made in Japan I'd never refuse one and I'd go for the PS274 (double action, paint limiter, 0.3mm needle/nozzle) or PS275 if you prefer a pistol grip. I stick with H&S because of the larger nozzle, no tool needed to remove it, easiness to clean. That said, their quality control is somewhat off since they began to launch new models, beginning at the end of 2023 (my Ultra 2024 had two filings/metal scraps inside the body and the needle chuck so tightly screwed that the needle didn't move).
Chuck1945 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Yeah, I have been using the H&S Evolution Silverline and Infinity models for 15+ years. Much preferred over my older Iwata HP-C, although I understand that more recent Iwata brushes no longer have the tiny, special tool required nozzle. I got the new H&S Evolution 2024 last year - still feels strange to refer to 2024 as last year - and almost wish I had kept my old Evolution instead.
Gav G Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) I have the PS-270 (0.2mm) & the PS-289 (0.3mm). Both are fantastic ABs & I highly recommend both. They both have a smaller spray area than the nozzle needle size implies as well. I also have the H&S Infinity CR+ 0.2mm & the Badger SOTAR 20/20F* with fine & medium needle kits. I still have the cheap Chinese thing my compressor was bundled with too 😅. Overall, the PS-270 is my favourite. The PS-289 is my least used as the spray size overlaps too much with the SOTAR & Infinity, but that's down to me not Creos. In fact I've been thinking of getting the 0.45mm set for the Infinity so I have more spray size options, but it's not cheap at around £48! As for Gaahleri, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. There's many complaints on Reddit etc about QA issues & the YT reviews are about as tainted as it comes. If you want to take a risk on cheap Chinese AB, you might try a Neoeco SJ83 from AliExpress for under £20 delivered. Edited January 20 by Gav G
dromia Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Regarding Gaalheri all I can say is a I have actually touched them and have found the Mobius .2 and .3 airbrushes to be as good as any out there at any price. Still to each his own preference although I do like to determine my preferences by having some hands on experience rather than absorbing internet froth.
flyboy2610 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I have the Gaahleri Swallowtail Studio G trigger action airbrush and it is a very nice brush! Well made, sprays well, and is easy to clean. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. I also have the NeoEco SJ83 and it works very well also.
DBSmith Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 18 hours ago, dromia said: Regarding Gaalheri all I can say is a I have actually touched them and have found the Mobius .2 and .3 airbrushes to be as good as any out there at any price. Still to each his own preference although I do like to determine my preferences by having some hands on experience rather than absorbing internet froth. I own a Gaahleri Mobius 0.2 and find it very decent but it did take some work to get it there. The nozzle was misshapen causing paint to bleed without operating the trigger. A replacement nozzle was even worse. It took a reamer to get it working right (a risky procedure and not at all ideal). I agree they can be great to use but QA is certainly an issue with Gaahleri. I also have a PS-289 and it is fantastic. The quality is plain to see. Cleaning is easy and they spray a very nice tight pattern. It's hard to get one under £100 in the UK but even at the usual £110-130 I'd say they are worth it. Edited January 21 by DBSmith
Gav G Posted January 20 Posted January 20 6 hours ago, dromia said: Still to each his own preference although I do like to determine my preferences by having some hands on experience rather than absorbing internet froth. By that definition, your opinion is internet froth too 😄
Efeso Posted February 3 Author Posted February 3 Thank you all for answers, it looks more like "opinion about airbrushes" instead of "opinion about Mr Hobby airbrushes" but I don't complain. I was on business trip for a week so now I unpacked it. It looked weird at the beginning because I have hose for 1/8" and according to box on Mr Hobby it also have 1/8" but their rubber hose was way too small for it. They have some kind of own adapter so after removing it I got access to normal 1/8" thread, now I have dehydrator as a handle.
TheKinksFan Posted February 3 Posted February 3 It does atomize really well, and the needle and nozzle are both quite sturdy. The nozzle is bigger than "regular" 0.4mm nozzle, so it is ease to clean, and also remove.
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