modelling minion Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Hi all, I have recently acquired a part built Tamiya 1/48 FW 190 A3 from the stash of a club member who recently passed away (Terry Marriott who may be a name familiar with some of you on here) and want to finish it as part of a dedicated club theme at this years Telford. I have been having a look for suitable and interesting schemes and came across this one; The caption in the book for it states that the aircraft is from II/JG 2 and was taken at San Pietro in Italy in October/November 1942 and I was wondering if anyone can cast any light on the unusual camouflage worn by the 190 with distinctive diagonal bands, I cannot find any pictures that show the aircraft other than this one and wonder what the other side and wing upper surfaces might look like and even which colours are used. Any help on this will be greatly appreciated. Craig. 2
brewerjerry Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Hi link to i modeller build by someone seems similar to your photo slightly O/T years ago i read a combat report at the NA/ kew, where the pilot reported seeing a 190 in raf camo over france , i often wonder if it was one of these cheers jerry https://imodeler.com/2021/04/focke-wulf-190-a-4-6-jg2-yellow-1-erich-rudorffer-tunisia-1943/ Edited January 11 by brewerjerry 1 1
G.R.Morrison Posted January 11 Posted January 11 The unit was the III./ZG 2 (a fighter-bomber outfit), the first Fw 190 unit to enter combat in Tunisia in mid-November 1942. This unit was redesignated the III./SKG 10 a month later. Unlike the II./JG 2 machines, these commonly wore an all-white spinner. I know of no other photo of this particular bird, but perhaps Andrew Arthy might, if anyone. The Re 2001 on the left belonged to the 358° Sq., 6° Stormo. GRM 3 3 1
modelling minion Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 31 minutes ago, brewerjerry said: Hi link to i modeller build by someone seems similar to your photo slightly O/T years ago i read a combat report at the NA/ kew, where the pilot reported seeing a 190 in raf camo over france , i often wonder if it was one of these cheers jerry https://imodeler.com/2021/04/focke-wulf-190-a-4-6-jg2-yellow-1-erich-rudorffer-tunisia-1943/ Thanks Jerry, I have seen this scheme and it does look like a possibility at least in terms of the colours used as the bands on the one in the picture are more even and there's no theatre band on the rear fuselage. 27 minutes ago, G.R.Morrison said: The unit was the III./ZG 2 (a fighter-bomber outfit), the first Fw 190 unit to enter combat in Tunisia in mid-November 1942. This unit was redesignated the III./SKG 10 a month later. Unlike the II./JG 2 machines, these commonly wore an all-white spinner. I know of no other photo of this particular bird, but perhaps Andrew Arthy might, if anyone. The Re 2001 on the left belonged to the 358° Sq., 6° Stormo. GRM Thanks for the info GRM.
GiampieroSilvestri Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Has anyone noted that the Balkenkreuz and the symbol on the tail do not have white surrounding and the aircraft does not have theatre markings?I have never seen Luftwaffe aircraft in the mediterranean with these Balkenkreuze and symbol. Saluti Giampiero Edited January 11 by GiampieroSilvestri 2
modelling minion Posted January 11 Author Posted January 11 19 minutes ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: Has anyone noted that the Balkenkreuz and the symbol on the tail do not have white surrounding and the aircraft does not have theatre markings?I have never seen Luftwaffe aircraft in the mediterranean with these Balkenkreuze and symbol. Saluti Giampiero I had noted that, along with the unusual camouflage it is part of what drew me to the scheme.
G.R.Morrison Posted January 11 Posted January 11 The 'muted' fuselage crosses were common in Tunisia. Indeed, on von Bülow's Fw 190A-4 WNr.2871 of the 5./JG 2 the white's nearly as dark as the black of the cross (and the same 'reduction' was applied to the yellow rudder). This can be seen on other Fw 190As of the II./JG 2; there's some fine contemporary color mopic film in the Karl Hoffkes archiv. I don't use a photo-hosting service, so cannot insert examples here, but if you wish to send me your email in a PM, I can forward examples. GRM 2 1
FalkeEins Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 1/11/2025 at 10:20 PM, G.R.Morrison said: I don't use a photo-hosting service, so cannot insert examples here https://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2018/02/fw-190-iijg-2-in-tunisia-in-colour.html 2 1
tempestfan Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 1/11/2025 at 7:42 PM, modelling minion said: (Terry Marriott who may be a name familiar with some of you on here) That's sobering to read. He did some amazing superdetailing articles in SAM waaaay back when in the 80s, when plastic card, sprue, wire, tubes and perhaps some Evergreen profiles were all what was available. No pre-coloured, pre-assembled stuff. RIP. Sorry I can't help with your question, but there was a book on 190s in Africa (Classic?) which may show some similar schemes. 1
Ingo Ritz Posted February 18 Posted February 18 35 minutes ago, FalkeEins said: https://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2018/02/fw-190-iijg-2-in-tunisia-in-colour.html In addition to the muted fuselage markings it appears that Black 1 also lacks the upper wing Balkenkreuz. The white banding on some aircraft appears to be consistent with that applied in conjunction with Case Anton. 2
modelling minion Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 3 hours ago, tempestfan said: That's sobering to read. He did some amazing superdetailing articles in SAM waaaay back when in the 80s, when plastic card, sprue, wire, tubes and perhaps some Evergreen profiles were all what was available. No pre-coloured, pre-assembled stuff. RIP. Sorry I can't help with your question, but there was a book on 190s in Africa (Classic?) which may show some similar schemes. Terry was a very talented and knowledgeable modeller who was way ahead of his time in many respects. Thank you for your kind words. I have the book on 190's in Africa but unfortunately it has no pics.
FalkeEins Posted February 19 Posted February 19 I well recall a 24th scale Fw 190 he built and brush painted for one of the 'modern' incarnations of Airfix magazine - quite an inspiration.. 1
Icedtea Posted February 26 Posted February 26 On 2/19/2025 at 4:07 AM, tempestfan said: That's sobering to read. He did some amazing superdetailing articles in SAM waaaay back when in the 80s, when plastic card, sprue, wire, tubes and perhaps some Evergreen profiles were all what was available. No pre-coloured, pre-assembled stuff. RIP. Sorry I can't help with your question, but there was a book on 190s in Africa (Classic?) which may show some similar schemes. Yes I remember Terence Marriott's articles and found them quite inspirational. Some of his techniques etc I still use today. RIP a great modeller. 1
David E. Brown Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Gents, Does someone have a link to his obituary that they can share in Chat section? David
modelling minion Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 On 2/26/2025 at 1:17 PM, David E. Brown said: Gents, Does someone have a link to his obituary that they can share in Chat section? David Sorry, I don't have that.
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