JFM148 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 17/01/2025 at 14:45, Overflow said: This has to be by far the worst Italeri catalogue of recent times, century old toolings, no H-21, no F-5B and RF-5A, no XB-35/49, not a single new tool 72nd scale aircraft( M-346, G-91 etc...) these people are living in some paralel universe Sorry, but worst compared to what? Italeri is a brand which has niche markets for many modellers like me. Regia Aeronautica WWII, rare German bombers, hard to find models with special markings. What is wrong with their F-5B/RF-5A? The M-346 was already announced by KP and the G-91 was released by Meng...I mean, You want Italeri to waste resources on tooling that is already marketed by other companies?
JFM148 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 18/01/2025 at 16:51, SprueMan said: and? They are still new model, only delayed. Same delay with Eduard, and other Eastern European companies...It is not only Italeri's issue.
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, JFM148 said: What is wrong with their F-5B/RF-5A? I think wrong are the facts that twin-seater was not released any recently and F-5A box has no parts for RF-5A. But the kits themselves are very good from the ESCI golden age in the 80s. 1 1
JFM148 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 18/01/2025 at 21:19, Overflow said: Quote First learn how to communicate politely, Well insulting Italeri is not polite either. They are a business and they are there to make money. Just as many other businesses decide to stop producing and/or change their minds about certain products, the same happens in the modelling world. Quote Their F-35 in 48th scale is worst representation of F-35 in mentioned scale, even worse than Trumpeter in 32nd, every ram panel is either made up or totally wrong shape. Canopy in B has totally wrong canopy frame. C although slated for 2024 was replaced by A to gain money from Italian government =" Aeronautica Militare" boxings. Again, compared to what? Tamiya? Really? RAM panels are as thick as lines of bricks. Tamiya decals are REALLY BAD. No weapons at all. So far one is making a good F-35. Quote Folgore will be a direct copy of their 32nd.kit using all the wrong research and its implementation. Do you have evidence to what you are saying? And what is exactly wrong with the 1/32 Folgore. To me it looks like a Folgore. 🤷♂️ On 18/01/2025 at 21:19, Overflow said: Regarding what is "obscure" or not, google both Leonardo M-346 and FIAT G.91 before making such deep observations. Do you know about the G-91 Meng kit? What about the KP M-346 announcement?
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, JFM148 said: Do you know about the G-91 Meng kit? Per what I read - opinions differ. On Russian scalemates forum one guy described how he was bringing Revell model to reality in a pretty harsh way fixing wing chord, fuselage length and contours (fuselage too anemic) etc. Meng looks better fitting photoes - knowing about the controversies - I tried to match fuselage and wings to photoes and had not found any obvious issues. However it is simplistic in the undercarriage, cockpit, etc. Meng ignored camera windows, any possibilities for separate wing elements, intake trunking, they did a very schematic exhaust... Armament is not best too. So you need to add a bit to make it a nicer model. At the same time the fit is perfect and model literally jumps together. Quality of molds also very good. So I would say we have an okayish FIAT G.91R but not trainer or Y versions. Edited January 21 by Dennis_C 1
Giorgio N Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Dennis_C said: Per what I read - opinions differ. On Russian scalemates forum one guy described how he was bringing Revell model to reality in a pretty harsh way fixing wing chord, fuselage length and contours (fuselage too anemic) etc. Meng looks better fitting photoes - knowing about the controversies - I tried to match fuselage and wings to photoes and had not found any obvious issues. However it is simplistic in the undercarriage, cockpit, etc. Meng ignored camera windows, any possibilities for separate wing elements, intake trunking, they did a very schematic exhaust... Armament is not best too. So you need to add a bit to make it a nicer model. At the same time the fit is perfect and model literally jumps together. Quality of molds also very good. So I would say we have an okayish FIAT G.91R but not trainer or Y versions. The Meng G-91 in terms of main shapes is miles better than the Revell one. Still has its problems though, mainly the horizontal tailplanes that are too small. There are then a number of smaller problems but it remains the better option in 1/72 scale. It was maybe the first aircraft kit from Meng and it shows, later kits have been of higher quality. The Revell kit on the other hand is seriously wrong in several areas. It is also not particularly well moulded. Italeri reboxed the Revell kit as part of their Frecce Tricolori anniversary set a few years ago. And of course they reboxed the Esci kit, that shares many of the shape problems of the Revell kit (clearly 2 kits made from the same wrong drawings). Personally I'm not expecting any new G.91 from Italeri, modellers interested in the type in 1/72 will likely have to look for resin kits for the next few years if not more... 1 1
Giorgio N Posted January 21 Posted January 21 20 hours ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: Italeri makes the Macchi MC200 Saetta in 1/48 so the 1/32 kit most probably is not derived from the 1/32 scale MC202/205. Saluti Giampiero The MC.200 however is not an MC.202 and almost nothing could be reused from the existing 200 on a new 202 When Italeri made their 1/32 MC.202/205 they used information gained from access to at least one real MC.205, I'd expect this information to be reused for the 1/48 kit. Hopefully they will also take on board the criticisms aimed at the 1/32 kit to improve on it.
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 29 minutes ago, Giorgio N said: Personally I'm not expecting any new G.91 from Italeri, modellers interested in the type in 1/72 will likely have to look for resin kits for the next few years if not more... Italeri is definitely highly unlikely. I can imagine more Italian jets from KP - MB 326, MB.339, why not Yankee Gina?
Giorgio N Posted January 21 Posted January 21 42 minutes ago, Dennis_C said: Italeri is definitely highly unlikely. I can imagine more Italian jets from KP - MB 326, MB.339, why not Yankee Gina? Could well be... as long as there are kits to copy... 🤣 1
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 48 minutes ago, Giorgio N said: Could well be... as long as there are kits to copy... 🤣 Italeri and Matchbox Are Italeri's MB.326 and AB.339 geometrically accurate?
GiampieroSilvestri Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Giorgio N said: The MC.200 however is not an MC.202 and almost nothing could be reused from the existing 200 on a new 202 When Italeri made their 1/32 MC.202/205 they used information gained from access to at least one real MC.205, I'd expect this information to be reused for the 1/48 kit. Hopefully they will also take on board the criticisms aimed at the 1/32 kit to improve on it. I am sorry Signor Giorgio but my answer was that the new 1/32 scale Macchi MC200 Saetta is most probably based on the 1/48 scale Macchi MC200 and not on the big Macchi MC202/205. Saluti Giampiero Edited January 21 by GiampieroSilvestri
Overflow Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Meng has some big, some smaller issues, KP made something that should represent Leonardo M-345 / SIAI M-311 which is totally different aircraft than M-346, which is becoming mainstream jet LIFT in Europe and the world. Research for the Macchi family was done by known Italian aviation historian, unfortunately outsorced CAD designer totally misinterpreted what was given to him, and Italeri was not overly interested in both supervising and correcting his " work", ao unfortunately both upcoming MC.200 in 32nd scale and MC.202 in 48th scale will have host of omissions already mentioned before in this topic.
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Overflow said: Meng has some big, some smaller issues Smaller issues agree and I described these above. But I do not see really significant errors. It would be helpful if you could clarify what you consider as big issues. Regarding M-345 - I perfectly know KP makes errors and uses the same sprues for really different variants. I have not looked deeply in the topic and have no M-345 kit, but was interested in the aircraft. I would appreaciate if you could point to any major inaccuracies? 1
Overflow Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Meng has shape issues regarding nose and fuselage cross section, wings are almost flat( no airfoil) compared to real ones. KP is a strage mix between M-311 and 345( panel lines are different, mix of both subtypes, regarding shape issues don't know. 1
Giorgio N Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: I am sorry Signor Giorgio but my answer was that the new 1/32 scale Macchi MC200 Saetta is most probably based on the 1/48 scale Macchi MC200 and not on the big Macchi MC202/205. Saluti Giampiero Ah sorry, I misunderstood the post. I agree, the 1/32 Mc.200 kit will be likely based on what they have on the 1/48. The 1/48 MC.202 will be based on the 1/32 kit of the same type... this way italeri will add to theire catalogue in both scales
Giorgio N Posted January 21 Posted January 21 17 minutes ago, Overflow said: Meng has shape issues regarding nose and fuselage cross section, wings are almost flat( no airfoil) compared to real ones. KP is a strage mix between M-311 and 345( panel lines are different, mix of both subtypes, regarding shape issues don't know. KP just reworked a kit of the S,211, on which the M.345 is based.
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Overflow said: Meng has shape issues regarding nose and fuselage cross section, wings are almost flat( no airfoil) compared to real ones. Nose yes - together with absent camera windows they forgot to make flat nose sides. Otherwise I think the nose profile is okay. Fuselage cross section is hard to check so I can't say. Wings - you are right. Forgot about it. That is happening every time we have these molded as a one part. Wings could have been done in a traditional way with separate flaps, better undercarriage niches and with correct thickness. That is the big thing. And thank you for M-345 comment. I suspected it is a mix of S.211, M-311 and M-345. You can't make three different aircraft from [almost] the same sprues. Still wonder how is the overall geometry. 1
Stickleback Posted January 21 Posted January 21 I remember the (very) old Airfix Fiat G-91 in 1/72, from 1959. It was one of my first builds in the 1960’s. I must say, it looked like a real Fiat G-91 to me. So - as a small boy at the age of 7 years or so - I was happy with it.🤷🏻 1
Dennis_C Posted January 21 Posted January 21 24 minutes ago, Stickleback said: I remember the (very) old Airfix Fiat G-91 in 1/72, from 1959. It was one of my first builds in the 1960’s. I must say, it looked like a real Fiat G-91 to me. So - as a small boy at the age of 7 years or so - I was happy with it.🤷🏻 My first model I fully assembled myself was Yak-40 from some Soviet toy making factory. I think it had around 10 parts, no wheels, nothing to brake. So that one was my favourite for sure. Long gone unfortunately... 1
ElectroSoldier Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) The full catalogue is out now https://www.italeri.com/en/?p=1 Not much in there that interests me apart from the KC-135R and the Volvo FH low roof. But will be picking up both for sure. The BP tanker trailer will be nice, that was starting to get silly on price. Edited January 25 by ElectroSoldier
Bozothenutter Posted January 25 Posted January 25 C-130 is nice, wish they (or someone else) would reissue/make gunship versions. Almost all aftermarket concentrates on the exterior or cockpit.
Homebee Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 (edited) After the Preview 2025, the complete catalogue 2025 Sources: https://www.italeri.com/en/?p=1 https://www.facebook.com/ItaleriModelKit/posts/pfbid02FcKEJNT5w7XFeCCE3CsTKuEBmxytysUGeJQbCyrZVcBSHBViyTfnXfYy8RhjB77Wl Quote Dear Friends, we are proud to present our new Interactive General Catalogue 2025 that you can easily browse and download from our homepage www.italeri.com Here the direct link : https://www.italeri.com/en/?p=1 The aircraft pages V.P. Edited February 2 by Homebee 2
CharlieGolf2009 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Another year without the 1/72 CH-53E Super Stallion...
71chally Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Always nice to see their 72nd Harriers, they are still my favourite kits of the subject. 2
IT_Man Posted January 25 Posted January 25 9 hours ago, ElectroSoldier said: The full catalogue is out now https://www.italeri.com/en/?p=1 Not much in there that interests me apart from the KC-135R and the Volvo FH low roof. But will be picking up both for sure. The BP tanker trailer will be nice, that was starting to get silly on price. I wonder if the BP trailer is in there in error. It's not in their new preview, nor marked as "Back Again" in this catalogue. And doesn't appear on the UK Importer website or Hannants etc.
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