Help please on HMS Daring (1950's) details please

[kitchentable]

Hi

I am building HMS Daring and have a WIP thread here 

 

I have a question about the hull break area on Daring, but it might be relevant to knowledge on any RN destroyer with a hull break.  

 

My question is what are the details of the hull break on the lower of the two decks.

 

 

I hope this image helps.  It shows the Admiralty plans of Daring.  I need help understanding what that trapezium item is in plan view.  It has a davit post coming out of it.  What is 37E?  Is it a locker, if so how high?  Where would the ladder be between the two decks?

 

You can see a tiny curve below the trapezium.  That looks like it represents the lower/aft end of the shaped plating that blends between the two decks.

 

Anyone have any info of these details please?

 

kitchentable

 

 

[Our Ned]

Some photos of Diamond and Dainty in Neil McCart Daring Class Destroyers (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2008) show this area from outboard and aft.  The trapezium-shaped item is a box, inboard side vertical, with sloping top (level with the sloped top edge of the plating between iron deck and foc's'le deck),  The circle is a davit base (note: much wider than the davit itself).  The ladder down from thc's'le deck is diretly inboard of this "box".

 

Other photos of Diamond under construction can be found on the Shipsnostalgia website - eg https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/hms-diamond-funnels-uptakes.325710/, https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/hms-diamond-boat.357807/ (I think you'need to log on).

[kitchentable]

5 hours ago, Our Ned said:

Some photos of Diamond and Dainty in Neil McCart Daring Class Destroyers (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2008) show this area from outboard and aft.  The trapezium-shaped item is a box, inboard side vertical, with sloping top (level with the sloped top edge of the plating between iron deck and foc's'le deck),  The circle is a davit base (note: much wider than the davit itself).  The ladder down from thc's'le deck is diretly inboard of this "box".

 

Other photos of Diamond under construction can be found on the Shipsnostalgia website - eg https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/hms-diamond-funnels-uptakes.325710/, https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/hms-diamond-boat.357807/ (I think you'need to log on).

Brilliant info thank you.   And very well explained.   A month or so ago you guided me toward 4 titles on Daring.   I bought two (March and Friedman) but I skipped on McCart.   Thats the luck of the draw.  I will see if I can get a McCart on line.   My pristine copy of March cost me USD20.50,  Bargain or what!  

 

Are you able to say what "37E" is from the plan posted above?   Numbered items on the plans tend to be distinct items, not simply general use lockers.  The fact that part of 37E is a dotted line means it is not simply a box on the deck.   But what is it?

 

I managed to access shipsnostalgia ok.  Again thanks for that tip.

 

Phil

[kitchentable]

Hang Fire Our Ned.  I have properly looked at the Diamond photo.   My question is answered, or really shown to be not well posed.   Essentially there is a storage compartment running the whole extent of the hull break fairing.   That will be pretty easy to model.  I do have a replacement question.   Is that feature unusual?   Other RN destroyers have nothing in that area.   HMS Cavalier certainly is absent a locker/box.  kitchentable

[Our Ned]

Only the Darings had lockers in this position; the War Emergency ships (including the various Ca/Ch/Co/Cr classes), the Battles and the Weapon class all had only the side plating in this area - drawings of the abortive "G" class ships show no such locker.

 

My copy of March's work includes a fold-out sheet with a key to the numbers on his drawings - "37E" is listed as "Potato Locker".

[kitchentable]

4 hours ago, Our Ned said:

Only the Darings had lockers in this position; the War Emergency ships (including the various Ca/Ch/Co/Cr classes), the Battles and the Weapon class all had only the side plating in this area - drawings of the abortive "G" class ships show no such locker.

 

My copy of March's work includes a fold-out sheet with a key to the numbers on his drawings - "37E" is listed as "Potato Locker".

Our Ned

Oh dear.  My pristine looking copy of March does not have a fold-out in the Daring section.   Does it only contain the number key?  The page count is continuous, but there is no obvious sign of a missing fold out,  Would there be a way you can help me recover that situation?   Phil

[Our Ned]

In my copy, the fold-out (common to all illustrations) is between Page xxxii and Page 1.

[kitchentable]

And in mine!  I had not looked there.  Thank you

[kitchentable]

So, I have a further plea for help on details of HMS Daring.  I cannot fathom what sits around the forward funnel.  I have deck plans but I cannot interpret them in this area.  Either side of the funnel there exist "Fan Vents/Boiler Room Vents", according to the plans.   Can anyone help and point me at photos please.   

 

It is item 48 on the plan here.   The structure that contains the funnel uptake makes sense, but what do the rectangles/circles/cylinders actually look like?

 

 

It may be that a photo of a different destroyer class would still be useful, if one of the Daring class cannot be found.   I have scoured a few naval picture web-sites, but to no avail.

 

Thank you

kitchentable

 

[kitchentable]

Hi

My last request for info/ideas drew a blank, but I will try again on another subject.   It is concerned with the main 4.5" armament of Daring.   I believe the gun/turret is called the Mk V gun in the UD MkVI mounting,

 

Some photos of this installation show a dark rectangle either side on the barrels on the forward face.   Other photos of the turret show nothing at all at that location.  The turret in the Gosport museum is in the latter category.

 

Does anyone know what the dark rectangle is?  It seems that Daring had it, but later ships such as Leanders did not,

kitchentable

[Our Ned]

Photos of RN Darings (but not the RAN ones), Anzac, Tobruk and Saintes show the turrets with these rectangles (although they are not visible in some later photos of a few RN Darings).  I believe they are the ports for the layer's (left-hand) and trainer's (right-hand) visual sights used when the mounting was in local control, although in later fits local control later was conducted solely from the captain of the turret's position in the upper right-hand corner of the turret.

[kitchentable]

38 minutes ago, Our Ned said:

Photos of RN Darings (but not the RAN ones), Anzac, Tobruk and Saintes show the turrets with these rectangles (although they are not visible in some later photos of a few RN Darings).  I believe they are the ports for the layer's (left-hand) and trainer's (right-hand) visual sights used when the mounting was in local control, although in later fits local control later was conducted solely from the captain of the turret's position in the upper right-hand corner of the turret.

Thanks Our Ned, that seems entirely plausible.  I will add them to my Daring using black decal strip. Kitchentable