robgizlu Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 Hi Graham - not certain - mine certainly grips well on the smallest bits. Rob 1
Harrysgrandad Posted October 27, 2024 Author Posted October 27, 2024 Been away from the workbench for a few days (banished to the shed to peel prep and pickle this seasons onions and shallots🤪). Have added the coal scuttles and the funnels (after adding the remaining buckles when replacement drills arrived). The funnels were a real problem. I wanted to get the boat deck and admirals walk fitted beforehand coz I thought it would be less dangerous, what do I know, despite numerous successful dry fits for these pieces as the build has progressed when it came to the final act they wouldn’t sit properly. The decking appears to have expanded (just a fraction - but enough!) into the aperture for the funnel bases, and it was a traumatic couple of hours while I figured out the problem and attempted to rectify it. eventually had to chisel out the positioning rib on the plastic deck and also try and trim the deck woodwork back a fraction all round to get them to sit properly. Hard work in that confined space and some of the railings on the walkway got pushed in as well as the frame on the top of the aft funnel. Think I might be losing my mojo with this. 10
Harrysgrandad Posted October 29, 2024 Author Posted October 29, 2024 added the funnel stays before moving on, now THAT was an intense couple of hours😝. Not fixed the rear 2 stays on the forward the funnel (by the Admirals cabin) as these are attached to the ‘tripod’ supports to the main mast, as far as I can tell from the references I have. Not fitting masts yet as I ALWAYS catch them during the rest of the build (no spatial awareness🤪). Didn’t realise how mush abuse the railings on the Admirals walk took when I struggled with fitting the funnels. 12
Harrysgrandad Posted October 30, 2024 Author Posted October 30, 2024 added the main bridge, this was v fiddly, too many location points for the various stanchions, no matter how I tried I couldn’t get everything to line up and sit in the requisite seating points🤬🤬🤬🤬. In the end I dispensed with the stanchions on the bridge wings and fixed the bridge on square and horizontal. When it had cured I ‘pinged’ the stanchions in and glued them in situ. 12 1
NOVA73 Posted October 30, 2024 Posted October 30, 2024 Hello, Superb montage. It's a treat to follow. Best regards. Alain
Harrysgrandad Posted October 30, 2024 Author Posted October 30, 2024 B^*+^y He’ll, more wooden deck issues🤬🤬🤬🤬 The rear mast would not sit properly, again, because of the expansion of the wooden deck, had to trim a sliver off each edge of the deck AND remove the location lugs on the original plastic deck to get it anywhere near right. Also notice the horrendous join in the two pieces of decking, I had to do this on the original deck fit because it was about 2mm out length wise between X and Y turret barrettes. Chose this area because it looked the easiest to disguise, It was virtually invisible when I did it originally, now look at it! I will need some judiciously placed deck ‘gubbins’ to hide that!!! Steep learning curve here, up and down like the rides at Alton Towers!!! 9
Harrysgrandad Posted October 31, 2024 Author Posted October 31, 2024 Due to the recent fit issues (which I can only put down to the length of time she has been sat on her dry dock), I decided to check the fit of the base plate before she gets too many delicate (read - breakable!) parts added. Thankfully no issues there, so back onto her dry dock for more work. Also a start on the sea base. 12
ArnoldAmbrose Posted October 31, 2024 Posted October 31, 2024 G'day Graham, I really like that photo. It shows a lot of detail that would be obscured later once turrets and masts are fitted. As do many of your earlier photos of this thread. In this photo she's very pleasing to look at, showing the ship overall. Thanks for posting them. Regards, Jeff.
Harrysgrandad Posted November 1, 2024 Author Posted November 1, 2024 Added the main mast (despite my earlier comment about leaving it as late in the build as possible 😜), again, another mega fiddly job (couldn’t glue the the two forward stanchions unless they were in place coz of the flare on these being wider than the aperture by the Admirals walk - had to apply glue to the feet of these and drop them in individually then fix them together at the head bracket, offer the mainmast up to them (not glued) and hold everything in place while the CA went off, I could then glue the main mast to the deck and the support bracket on the stanchions). I thought maybe I had done my usual ‘build first - think after’ trick but I could not see any other (obvious) build sequence that would have alleviated this issue. All of this was not helped by the wooden deck again, which altered the deck levels, only subtly - but enough😜. Also added some ‘smoke/gunge’ deposits around the funnel heads and part of the main mast stanchions. As a break, off to sort the sea base😁. 18
robgizlu Posted November 1, 2024 Posted November 1, 2024 Well done Graham. Whatever difficulties you've had, the end results are looking super. That deck join is fine and will get lost in the "whole". Those coal stains are weirdly effective Rob 1
Harrysgrandad Posted November 5, 2024 Author Posted November 5, 2024 Texture added to sea base, the usual, Liquitex over a basic sea colour. Decided not to sit and watch it dry😜. _ Instead, back to adding bits and pieces to the deck etc. also going to spend an hour going over the rigging and deciding how detailed to make it and adding some BB’s. Doing the ‘full Monty’ is way, way beyond my skill and patience levels, … although……. Encouraged by @beefy66 I might (might) still a have a crack at the cage Ariel’s😝. 5
Harrysgrandad Posted November 8, 2024 Author Posted November 8, 2024 Added some more bits and started on parts of the rigging, just as a small experiment I have tried using the Infini white thread (mainly coz the black thread seems to disappear ‘into’ the model), thought this might produce a better effect😜. At first i thought it would take on a grey aspect by absorbing the greats from the colour scheme, Not sure now😝, in the cold light of day don’t think this worked. I know that the ‘knowledgable’ among you seem to use white for the signal halyards, presume this is because they are rope of some sort and not steel cable? Also, if there was a ‘grey’(ish) product (to represent the steel cable) would this not provide an option for some of the rigging cables? Ducking now to avoid the expected ‘broadsides’ correcting me on my ignorance😝. 5
Faraway Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 To describe me as knowledgeable, might be pushing it a bit. But I hark back to sailing ship rigging, when ‘standing’ rigging was tarred, therefore black and any rigging that moved, ie. signal halyards was clean, therefore a paler colour, so I use white. Right or wrong I’ve no idea, but it seemed like a good idea. Jon 2 1 1
Ray S Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 This is a great result so far @Harrysgrandad. You seem to have overcome some awkward issues with the model and aftermarket. I have just one question though: When you used the Bob's Buckles for the funnel stays, did you add them to both end points or just the funnels? I have tried to take a closer peek but cannot quite work it out? I will be doing the Zvezda Dreadnought in the new year, so any help like this will go a long way. All the best and I am really looking forward to seeing more progress Ray
Harrysgrandad Posted November 8, 2024 Author Posted November 8, 2024 Hi Ray 29 minutes ago, Ray S said: This is a great result so far @Harrysgrandad. You seem to have overcome some awkward issues with the model and aftermarket. I have just one question though: When you used the Bob's Buckles for the funnel stays, did you add them to both end points or just the funnels? I have tried to take a closer peek but cannot quite work it out? I will be doing the Zvezda Dreadnought in the new year, so any help like this will go a long way. All the best and I am really looking forward to seeing more progress Ray Hi Ray Just the funnels, for most of the lower location points (as far as could tell from references) are on the bars of the boat deck frame or the deck on/or behind the Admirals walk, none of these areas are thick enough or strong enough to cope with a drilled hole for the buckle (at least not when I attempted it😜) So I just used cyano drops to affix them to the deck edges, most of which will disappear underneath the ships boats. I would urge you to take a good look at this area (mainly the framework holding the ships boats), don’t know what the Zvezda kit is like but the Trumpeter parts were a real fiddle and not a brilliant fit. I went at it a bit too quickly and in the wrong build order (as I found out as it went along) I was at the fixing stage and found that the fit wasn’t brilliant but was too far along to rectify the awkward joints easily. Take a look at this build thread on Fine Scale Modeller, i found it really informative even though I appear to have ignored some salient points😝. https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/161421.aspx All the best with your Dreadnought. Graham
Ray S Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 Thanks for the information and the link, it is very much appreciated. I've built one of the Zvezda HMS Dreadnoughts already and added the White Ensign set, but this one will be with the Pontos upgrade set and a whole bunch of Micro Master stuff. I had a similar problem with the bridge supports to that which you had as well. I'll be forewarned though, and I'll put a thread up when I start it in early 2025. Thanks again for your advice, Ray 1
Harrysgrandad Posted November 8, 2024 Author Posted November 8, 2024 38 minutes ago, Ray S said: Thanks for the information and the link, it is very much appreciated. I've built one of the Zvezda HMS Dreadnoughts already and added the White Ensign set, but this one will be with the Pontos upgrade set and a whole bunch of Micro Master stuff. I had a similar problem with the bridge supports to that which you had as well. I'll be forewarned though, and I'll put a thread up when I start it in early 2025. Thanks again for your advice, Ray Hi Ray Going the whole hog then!
Ray S Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 3 minutes ago, Harrysgrandad said: Hi Ray Going the whole hog then! Yes indeedy! It's a special ship with a family connection, and I hope to do it as best I can. Ray
Harrysgrandad Posted November 8, 2024 Author Posted November 8, 2024 Second thoughts about the white rigging, so, in the words of Amy W, it’s ‘Back to Black’. Gone back to easy line, the Uschi was too fine IMHO. 7
Harrysgrandad Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 Back to the work desk today (after a Sunday doing household related bits and pieces - due to my ‘day off’ at Telford). More BB’s and rigging, not sure from the references I have (and my general ignorance) where the ‘rigging’ ends and all of the ‘coaling apparatus starts. Anyway it’s not all going to go on (way, way too much!) so I am just making a judgment on what might look appropriate on the finished model. Day off at Telford was good, lots of models to see (not a very big percentage of maritime content) and a meet up with Rob @robgizlu, Keith @beefy66, Andy @Ngantek and Alan Blyth, pity you weren’t there Jon, would have been nice to meet you. While I was in my old neck of the woods took the opportunity to visit our old smallholding and take an 18th birthday present (Biscoff biscuits - he absolutely loves them) to Archie, the last remaining member of our Pygmy Goat herd. He is being very kindly looked after in his Autumn years by the young couple who bought our house when we moved to Cambridge, he is now 18 years old, which is about 6 years past his ‘sell-by’ date🥴. Archie in his prime😄. 7
Faraway Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 21 minutes ago, Harrysgrandad said: pity you weren’t there Jon, would have been nice to meet you. Likewise, hopefully next year. Regards your rigging, that mast you've done looks good. I often don't put all the rigging on. I add what seems, to me, to be enough, I think sometimes less is more and sometimes there just isn't room TO add it all. Jon 1 1
Harrysgrandad Posted November 11, 2024 Author Posted November 11, 2024 3 minutes ago, Faraway said: I often don't put all the rigging on. I add what seems, to me, to be enough, I think sometimes less is more and sometimes there just isn't room TO add it all. Jon Hi Jon Yup, I am now a fully paid up member of the @Faraway school of rigging 😁🤪. And you are right, there just isn’t the room to add all the rigging, especially on this ship. 1
Ngantek Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 Great to finally meet you Graham! I appreciate you all taking time to have a chat. Especially given that I was acutely aware that everyone there had to squeeze everything into a single day, where I could casually waltz over to thinks on the Sunday. It sounds like this is very much one of those builds, where every part conspires to become a big issue that needs correcting. I'm sure all of us can relate to that discovery of parts that, despite meticulous dry-fitting, reshaping and planning ahead, suddenly don't fit when the critical moment arrives (usually just after we've applied glue to all faces!). It makes it all the more impressive how well the results appear on the outside to be turning out, and I'm sure all the more satisfying when you do overcome the issues. All that horrific looking interlocked-masts funnels and raised decks looks fantastic. Sea base looks promising too! Andy 2 1
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