Bbdave Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 My father was an armourer on 17sq phantoms at RAF Bruggen in 1970, I'd like to build a 1/48 model but have no idea which kit to get to best represent a 17sq aircraft. Thanks for any help. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Dave Hasegawa is the only kit available of the Spey engined Phantom (FGR.2) in 1.48th. It was also boxed by Revell. You will need to use the round top to the fin rather than the square RWR top and it shouldn't have the ILS aerials on the fin (stand to be corrected there!). Hannants sell the decals in their Xtradecal range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbdave Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 13 hours ago, iainpeden said: Dave Hasegawa is the only kit available of the Spey engined Phantom (FGR.2) in 1.48th. It was also boxed by Revell. You will need to use the round top to the fin rather than the square RWR top and it shouldn't have the ILS aerials on the fin (stand to be corrected there!). Hannants sell the decals in their Xtradecal range. What would the best 1/72 options be? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 19 minutes ago, Bbdave said: What would the best 1/72 options be? Dave Fujimi or Airfix. Both kits have their pros and cons, many still prefer the older Fujimi kit but the Airfix one also has its strengths. All Airfix issues feature the original tail without RWR in the box, as needed for a 17 Sqn. machine. Fujimi issued different kits with or without RWR. Finding a Fujimi kit without RWR may not be easy while the Airfix kit should be easily available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Personally I would say the Fujimi kit - although you would need to get the moulding with the rounded fin tip not the squared RWR fairing; not sure about decals but have a look at Hannants. Some people think the newer Airfix one is better - and it's certainly got a better decal sheet (not sure if 17 is on it) but can be a difficult build and it had too far more inaccuracies and omissions than a modern LIDAR'd kit should have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted Monday at 08:58 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:58 AM Regarding 1/72 decals, the old Modeldecal sheet 94 had markings for all Germany based strike Phantom units, including 17 Sqn There may be more recent stuff of course, both Xtradecal and Printscale did sheets for the Airfix kit, have to check if 17 was covered. I vaguely remember it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbdave Posted Monday at 09:11 AM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:11 AM OK so would the fujimi phantom 2 F-4M be correct? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted Monday at 09:24 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:24 AM 11 minutes ago, Bbdave said: OK so would the fujimi phantom 2 F-4M be correct? Dave If its the one with the grey/green camo Phantom on the box, yes. You could also look for the Alcock and Brown boxing - although you'd need stencils as well as unit markings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted Monday at 09:31 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:31 AM My memory is not too bad... I was almost sure to have seen 17 Sqn markings in more recent decal sheets... Xtradecal X72293 https://www.scalemates.com/it/kits/xtradecal-x72293-mcdonnell-douglas-fg1-fgr2-phantom--1121671 Printscale 72-280 https://www.super-hobby.it/products/F-4-Phantom-FGR.Mk-2-Part-1.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted Monday at 09:37 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:37 AM This Xtradecal sheet has a 17sqn one at Bruggen 1973, which should be pretty much the same as the 1970 scheme https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X72293?result-token=rWOVH https://www.scalemates.com/kits/xtradecal-x72293-mcdonnell-douglas-fg1-fgr2-phantom--1121671 Alternatively there's this one which has 17 sqn phantoms at Bruggen in 72 & 75 https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ML72184?result-token=Udvap https://www.scalemates.com/kits/model-alliance-ma-72184-raf-germany-pt-i--210793 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted Monday at 08:36 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:36 PM @Bbdave Kingkit have the 1/72 Fujimi Phantoms you need. H9 was the original boxing with H-20 being an improved one with additional detail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted Monday at 09:48 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:48 PM On 9/29/2024 at 6:17 PM, Bbdave said: My father was an armourer on 17sq phantoms at RAF Bruggen in 1970, I'd like to build a 1/48 model but have no idea which kit to get to best represent a 17sq aircraft. Thanks for any help. Dave That's interesting, as I was an armourer on 17 sqdn. from 1971 -74, so I most probably worked with your father . . . Qhat was his name ? As regards to the. kit then Hasegawa's 1/48 Phantom is a good kit, but I've mot built any of the 1/72 models, so can't comment. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantome Posted Monday at 11:24 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:24 PM 15 hours ago, Bbdave said: What would the best 1/72 options be? Dave There was a very extensive discussion on this a few weeks ago, conversation should still be on the first page of this forum (writing this on my phone so can't check link) Nutshell: Fujimi seems to be the people's fave and I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbdave Posted Tuesday at 08:35 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:35 AM (edited) 10 hours ago, Starfighter said: That's interesting, as I was an armourer on 17 sqdn. from 1971 -74, so I most probably worked with your father . . . Qhat was his name ? As regards to the. kit then Hasegawa's 1/48 Phantom is a good kit, but I've mot built any of the 1/72 models, so can't comment. 😊 He was Roger Still, I got him to write down the sqns and aircraft he worked on a few years ago and I'd like to build an example from each sqn. The list includes Phantom, sabre, lightning,vulcan,vampire, hunter,javelin,gnat and Canberra. Unfortunately dad passed a couple of years ago so I can no longer ask him. I think I'll be building 1/72 examples as there are quite a few. Dave Edited Tuesday at 08:36 AM by Bbdave 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted Tuesday at 09:43 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:43 AM Sounds like a great project and a fantastic way to remember your dad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted Tuesday at 11:17 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:17 AM 2 hours ago, Bbdave said: He was Roger Still, I got him to write down the sqns and aircraft he worked on a few years ago and I'd like to build an example from each sqn. The list includes Phantom, sabre, lightning,vulcan,vampire, hunter,javelin,gnat and Canberra. Unfortunately dad passed a couple of years ago so I can no longer ask him. I think I'll be building 1/72 examples as there are quite a few. Dave Sorry to hear about your Dad's passing, but I don't remember his name, so maybe he left before I arrived. Anyway, if you need any help on 17 squadron Phantoms just let me know 😊. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbdave Posted Tuesday at 11:29 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:29 AM 10 minutes ago, Starfighter said: Sorry to hear about your Dad's passing, but I don't remember his name, so maybe he left before I arrived. Anyway, if you need any help on 17 squadron Phantoms just let me know 😊. Thanks I know he left in 1973 I was there then we came back to Waddington/Scampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted Tuesday at 04:12 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:12 PM 7 hours ago, Bbdave said: He was Roger Still, I got him to write down the sqns and aircraft he worked on a few years ago and I'd like to build an example from each sqn. The list includes Phantom, sabre, lightning,vulcan,vampire, hunter,javelin,gnat and Canberra. Unfortunately dad passed a couple of years ago so I can no longer ask him. I think I'll be building 1/72 examples as there are quite a few. Dave If you go for the Fujimi, @iainpeden gave you the kit numbers to look out for. The later kits have separate vinyl tires and the various supplementary air intake (?) flaps moulded open. Whether that justifies paying 8 quid more is for you to decide. Even though the Airfix is more accurate all round, the Fujimi is among my Top 5 kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhenderson Posted Wednesday at 10:11 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:11 AM I just scored the Alcock and Brown FGR.2 from Ebay for £20 which I was happy with. There are a few on there at the moment, but prices vary considerably. Model decal sheet 94 has markings for a 17 sqn machine in June 1974 and also has stencils for a camo phantom. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted Wednesday at 12:16 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:16 PM 2 hours ago, alhenderson said: I just scored the Alcock and Brown FGR.2 from Ebay for £20 which I was happy with. There are a few on there at the moment, but prices vary considerably. Model decal sheet 94 has markings for a 17 sqn machine in June 1974 and also has stencils for a camo phantom. Al. Bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhenderson Posted Wednesday at 01:06 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:06 PM 51 minutes ago, tempestfan said: Bargain! Indeed! When I've seen them in shops they've been around £35 (still cheaper than Airfix I think?). This one was in the wrong box, but I'm not building the box 🙂 Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted Wednesday at 01:37 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:37 PM 28 minutes ago, alhenderson said: Indeed! When I've seen them in shops they've been around £35 (still cheaper than Airfix I think?). This one was in the wrong box, but I'm not building the box 🙂 Al. Current Airfix offering from Hannants is £34.99, kit no. A06019A . Modeldecal sheet 94 is £4.99 from the same source. Paul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted Wednesday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:47 PM On 10/1/2024 at 1:35 AM, Bbdave said: He was Roger Still, I got him to write down the sqns and aircraft he worked on a few years ago and I'd like to build an example from each sqn. The list includes Phantom, sabre, lightning,vulcan,vampire, hunter,javelin,gnat and Canberra. Unfortunately dad passed a couple of years ago so I can no longer ask him. I think I'll be building 1/72 examples as there are quite a few. Dave That is a loving tribute and nice way to record family history. Future descendants can ask what the models represent and someone will tell them about your late father. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbdave Posted Wednesday at 06:51 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 06:51 PM 5 hours ago, Paul Thompson said: Current Airfix offering from Hannants is £34.99, kit no. A06019A . Modeldecal sheet 94 is £4.99 from the same source. Paul. I've managed to pick an Airfix one up for £25 and have decals ordered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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