Britman Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Just come back from the Hornby hobby shop in Margate with a new 48th Bulldog in my mits! Nothing to do with B24's you may say, however my purchase had £10 knocked off as did half a dozen new Liberators. Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 minutes ago, Stephen said: It's just been re-released. And cheap - I just saw one of the Zodiac boxings yesterday at EUR 23. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDeeks Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 18 hours ago, Graham Boak said: See Consolidated Mess for more details. Just a note in passing, Graham ... it's all very well to say "see Consolidated Mess" (I assume you mean the book by Alan Griffith) but to state the bleeding obvious, to see that particular book pre-supposes that one already owns it (or is in close contact with someone else who does). If you don't own it already, you probably never will! Based on my searches, copies for sale are very rare and priced very much accordingly. Hence, the "details" the book offers are not readily available for inspection (and thus not terribly useful to the modeller looking to make his B-24 kit look more accurate). Edited September 4 by WillDeeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 18 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Big statements there. The new Airfix does appear to be the best B-24H-15 so far, but both the H and the J had several different nose shapes. See Consolidated Mess for more details. Whether any other kit provides accurate shapes for any other H block - or indeed J block,, I can't say, but from what is said and shown the new Airfix Kit is the best B-24 kit. I agree. I checked several photos of different ones and the noses changed quite some. In the early I though the new Airfix was wrong, but the I found out is correct as well as the Hasegawa different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 28 minutes ago, WillDeeks said: Just a note in passing, Graham ... it's all very well to say "see Consolidated Mess" (I assume you mean the book by Alan Griffith) but to state the bleeding obvious, to see that particular book pre-supposes that one already owns it (or is in close contact with someone else who does). If you don't own it already, you probably never will! Based on my searches, copies for sale are very rare and priced very much accordingly. Hence, the "details" the book offers are not readily available for inspection (and thus not terribly useful to the modeller looking to make his B-24 kit look more accurate). Up to not that long ago, there was a seller in Poland who offered "Mess" around 40 EUR, which IMHO is pretty reasonable; he also had many other MMP titles and a couple from the remaining stock (?) of AJ Press, at very sensible prices (inter alia Baltimore, which otherwise sells in the "ridiculous" range). Alas, for some time, he is listed as "seller has no articles to sell to your destination" on a certain auction platform. Which is a pity. EDIT: Still available @ $44.50, if looking from .com instead of .de - may mean he only ships to the US now? Edited September 4 by tempestfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDeeks Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 I use bookfinder.com, which searches eBay as well as a huge number of other booksellers. Since, in my case, the shipping destination is "Australia", the search engine omits sources that won't ship to here. I admit I haven't searched online model supply stores, but there are only so many hours in the day. If someone knows of a particular store claiming to have copies in stock, then I'd be delighted to hear more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 All specialist works of this kind sell out rapidly and are then difficult to find. So much for the Internet replacing books. However it was the book I used as a reference and I quoted it so those sceptical of my comments knew where to look. It would be impossible to only refer to books currently in print and available worldwide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 9 minutes ago, WillDeeks said: If someone knows of a particular store claiming to have copies in stock, then I'd be delighted to hear more. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Consolidated-Mess-Illustrated-Nose-turreted-Production-ebook/dp/B07CYX2WW6 Available immediately for a very reasonable £13.50 5 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: However it was the book I used as a reference and I quoted it so those sceptical of my comments knew where to look. It would be impossible to only refer to books currently in print and available worldwide. Quoting a source is good practice and allows the reader to assess the reliability of the information being provided, even if the source info isn't immediately available to the reader they know where to check it or make their own interpretation should they feel the need to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 4 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Consolidated-Mess-Illustrated-Nose-turreted-Production-ebook/dp/B07CYX2WW6 Available immediately for a very reasonable £13.50 Kindle perhaps isn't the ideal format for a modelling reference, but better than not having it at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDeeks Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 3 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Consolidated-Mess-Illustrated-Nose-turreted-Production-ebook/dp/B07CYX2WW6 Available immediately for a very reasonable £13.50 Uh, no, and, no. Clicking on your link takes me to a page that says the price is a quite unreasonable GBP172.57, and furthermore states that as I don't live in the UK I'm not allowed to purchase it anyway. As I said, bookfinder.com omits sellers that won't ship to your country of preference. It does search Amazon, but (for me) only amazon.com.au; the other various amazon sites generally tell you to buy on the AU site, or otherwise go away and stop bothering them. I can browse amazon.co.uk to my heart's content, but only so that I can buy stuff for people who actually live in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 7 minutes ago, WillDeeks said: Clicking on your link takes me to a page that says the price is a quite unreasonable GBP172.57, and furthermore states that as I don't live in the UK I'm not allowed to purchase it anyway. As I said, bookfinder.com omits sellers that won't ship to your country of preference. It does search Amazon, but (for me) only amazon.com.au; the other various amazon sites generally tell you to buy on the AU site, or otherwise go away and stop bothering them. I can browse amazon.co.uk to my heart's content, but only so that I can buy stuff for people who actually live in the UK. The price quoted above relates to the e-book, and I see no problem why you shouldn't be able to buy this in Oz. No physical shipment required. But as I said, not the ideal format, and not one for me, either (but I have a hardcopy ;-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukuryu Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 https://www.amazon.com.au/Consolidated-Mess-Illustrated-Nose-turreted-Production-ebook/dp/B07CYX2WW6/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o2TnGYWg72ERKPNJoPNJng.FON2J93hSXS-xsxHmkZned1WIPRvvusyI-GKrGIggiU&dib_tag=se&keywords=consolidated+mess&qid=1725747902&sr=8-1 "Sold by:Amazon Australia Services, Inc" says there. As @tempestfan said, Kindle books are not ideal, but better than nothing, and at AUS $16.75, a bargain. Costs $19 at Amazon US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Will, that book is available at Super-hobby.com, just checked and they ship over there. However I don't know how much the shipping cost might be, though the book is listed at Euros 42 something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 On 9/8/2024 at 11:59 AM, lleo said: Will, that book is available at Super-hobby.com, just checked and they ship over there. However I don't know how much the shipping cost might be, though the book is listed at Euros 42 something. Good call, that. Super-hobby has several online shop fronts for more than one .tld (so .com, .co.uk, and .nl ) but they're based in Poland. I've used them many times and they're safe - nothing like that French-based crap store. That might also mean courier shipping from PL to AUS can be a bit on the nose (unless you're using postal system which takes longer) , although it's still cheaper than the Amazon price tag likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukuryu Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 On 9/8/2024 at 6:59 AM, lleo said: Will, that book is available at Super-hobby.com, just checked and they ship over there. However I don't know how much the shipping cost might be, though the book is listed at Euros 42 something. Create an account at Super Hobby with your full shipping information, add the book to the cart and then progress with the checkout until you see the shipping options; that way you can know beforehand the shipping costs to your location. No need to finish the procedure, you can go back from that point and nothing happens. I do it all the time so I know it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 Yes, you can reach the point where you pay but you're not obliged to, so you can check the shipping cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 On 9/8/2024 at 11:59 AM, lleo said: Will, that book is available at Super-hobby.com, just checked and they ship over there. However I don't know how much the shipping cost might be, though the book is listed at Euros 42 something. Funny, I saw it on .de yesterday, and there it's listed @ EUR 48.63... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukuryu Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 hours ago, tempestfan said: Funny, I saw it on .de yesterday, and there it's listed @ EUR 48.63... EUR 42.46 for me, checking right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted September 11 Author Share Posted September 11 Checked now and it's Euro 49,86. I don't know if it depends which site one is checking. Or if they follow the gold quotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDeeks Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 Thanks for the tips on super-hobby. I will check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DStewart Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/4/2024 at 10:37 AM, Graham Boak said: All specialist works of this kind sell out rapidly and are then difficult to find. So much for the Internet replacing books. However it was the book I used as a reference and I quoted it so those sceptical of my comments knew where to look. It would be impossible to only refer to books currently in print and available worldwide. What about inter-library loans, or is that not a thing any longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 9/13/2024 at 5:13 PM, 3DStewart said: inter-library loans, or is that not a thing ILLs certainly exist in Australia but the problems are (1) finding a copy in a library anywhere and (2) finding a copy in a library willing to do ILLs - many do not. Charges vary from about $30 to about $80 so not exactly cheap but less than buying one. https://www.nla.gov.au/using-library/copies-and-interlibrary-loans/copies-and-interlibrary-loans-libraries/document-supply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 13/09/2024 at 08:13, 3DStewart said: What about inter-library loans, or is that not a thing any longer? Used to be do-able online here, but during Covid the local library web page was revamped and no longer gives access to catalogues or ordering or anything like that. In fact it just allows you to book the place for use as a venue in the evenings. I'd insert a sad emoji here but don't want to sound too modern. Paul. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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