Irish Anson C.19 from the Valom kit - cross kit and aileron questions.

[Natter]

Oh-kay. My Valom Anson arrived yesterday and this afternoon I dug out the Special Hobby and Airfix Ansons from my stash for some comparisons. This has left me in a conundrum regarding the best way to cross-kit the wing types and, more difficult to confirm, aileron types fitted to the Irish C.19s.

 

Firstly, the Special Hobby Mk.1 Late (SH) lower wing overlaid on the Valom lower wing. You can see there is a noticeable difference in chord that will require some work to correct if you decided to do a complete wing-swap:

 

SH lower over Valom

 

 

Should you follow this route there is some challenging work to do on the upper wing sections, though the SH kit has the smooth nacelles as well as the resin nacelles with the cyliner head fairings. The chord at the root of the wings of the SH and Valom kits is very different, and the faired curve to the fuselage is therefore in a different place. The fit profile of the wing uppers to the fuselage halves at the two root sections is different too:

 

 

SH upper over Valom

 

The Airfix wing. Well, we know the Airfix wing is 'of its time' in terms of moulding and detail, but I would sacrifice an Airfix Anson before I would sacrifice a SH Anson. Joe (@maxdecal) notes the possibility of using the outer secions of the Airfix wings and mating them to the Valom wings. Yes, some work to do, but probably better than wasting a SH kit.

 

Airfix lower over Valom

 

 

Now to a thornier question that someone may be able to answer, please. Help! Ailerons...

 

Ailerons Valom over SH

 

 

The Valom wings have the short ailerons of the tapered wings, the SH and Airfix kits have the long ailerons, but I can't see from the limited photos I have found what length on ailerons were fitted to the Irish C.19s.  Perhaps like this?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/smon/8003973950/in/photostream/

 

Note: inserted as a link for copyright purposes.

[rossm]

According to the Air Britain Anson file the 3 Anson XIX delivered to Eire were series 1 versions. Therefore they would have had the wooden wings of all the earlier marks I to XII.

Marks XIX series 2 and 20, 21 and 18 had metal wings.

The ribs moulded into the Airfix wings are erroneous, it was a completely wooden construction.

There is a photo in the book, I'll scan it when I can get SWMBO off my laptop (should I rephrase that?)

[Natter]

Thank you Ross, Your info was excellent. I was fairly I would have to fill the Airfix wings and re-scribe, but I am still unsure about the size of the ailerons as fitted to the Irish XIX aircraft. Both the Airfix and SH ailerons look too long, but the ones on the metal wing as provided by Valom look too short. I can't find a clear image of the Irish Anson wings from which I can gauge the span of their ailerons; so this question still remains open. Can anyone give a definitive answer?

[rossm]

As the wings were the same as the mark I my assumption is the ailerons were the same so if Airfix and SH ailerons match plans for a mk I it seems likely they are correct for a mk XIX srs I as well. I'm not sure what information you have that suggests otherwise but it would need to be convincing as Avro are unlikely to have modified the ailerons if they were using the same wooden wing as previous marks. The metal wings of the srs 2 and later marks would have been a new design so could well have been different. I'm not near my references to check for a couple of days.

[Natter]

This photo of the Irish Mk.XIX '141' is about the best illustration of the ailerons I have found so far:

 

https://www.irishairpics.com/photo/1003492/L/Avro-Anson-19-Series-2/141/Irish-Air-Corps/?&sid=&sp=

 

The span of the ailerons in the photo seems a lot shorter than either the Airfix or SH kits portray. The span appear to be in between the SH and Valom offerings.

[Graham Boak]

Looks to be fairly close to the SH kit, to me.