Arma 1/48 announcement at Babaryba

[MrB17]

3 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

The stackable sprues they have done on other kits and I think are so they don’t get damaged for shipping to them, not in the retail boxes.

The majority of the retail boxes are going to be shipped worldwide and we all know how that can go. I remember unpacking the Revell Ju 52 and having to pry the frames apart. I really appreciate the way that works, considering the condition I have received other kits in. You can have the most robust box in the world but if the frames are sliding around against each other, the damage can be considerable. I would hope that Arma realizes this also.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff

[Mike]

I was right again. Not a big thing, but I really should get a lottery ticket this week  

[2996 Victor]

11 minutes ago, Mike said:

I really should get a lottery ticket this week  

You've still got time.....

[Tbolt]

41 minutes ago, MrB17 said:

The majority of the retail boxes are going to be shipped worldwide and we all know how that can go. I remember unpacking the Revell Ju 52 and having to pry the frames apart. I really appreciate the way that works, considering the condition I have received other kits in. You can have the most robust box in the world but if the frames are sliding around against each other, the damage can be considerable. I would hope that Arma realizes this also.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff

 

Maybe they are changing it with this kit but their 1/72nd p-39, P-51B and 1/48th Hurricane have this system but they don't use these stand offs in the box. But when they are shipped a box of maybe 40 or 50 of the same sprues you don't want them moving around a lot which isn't such a problem when there's only a few sprues in a retail box. Of course I maybe totally wrong on this and it has nothing to do with storage or shipping and its just to do with the injection system!

[TheKinksFan]

I remember Wojtek commenting somewhere (maybe a newsletter) how their 1/48 Hurricane was very expensive to tool, and I bet big part of that was caused by the surface detail. It could well be that they couldn't afford to do the same with the 1/48 Airacobra. Or if they would have, the retail price would be so high that it would affect the sales numbers. What I'm saying that all you surface detail aficionados should mentally prepare for the possibility that it's not gonna be as refined and detailed as their Hurricane.

The vast majority will buy the kit regardless, as for them the quality of the surface detail is not the be-all and end-all.

[Tbolt]

2 minutes ago, TheKinksFan said:

I remember Wojtek commenting somewhere (maybe a newsletter) how their 1/48 Hurricane was very expensive to tool, and I bet big part of that was caused by the surface detail. It could well be that they couldn't afford to do the same with the 1/48 Airacobra. Or if they would have, the retail price would be so high that it would affect the sales numbers. What I'm saying that all you surface detail aficionados should mentally prepare for the possibility that it's not gonna be as refined and detailed as their Hurricane.

The vast majority will buy the kit regardless, as for them the quality of the surface detail is not the be-all and end-all.

 

The problem with that is, for that majority will they buy it over the Eduard or Hasegawa kit if it's not a noticeable step up? I've got 2 Eduard kits and 3 Hasegawa ones in the stash, if this kit is the same quality as their Hurricane then I will be buying 1 or 2 ( I'm not over concerned about rivets but the rest of it ). If not then I've no real reason to get it.

[TheKinksFan]

2 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

 

The problem with that is, for that majority will they buy it over the Eduard or Hasegawa kit if it's not a noticeable step up? I've got 2 Eduard kits and 3 Hasegawa ones in the stash, if this kit is the same quality as their Hurricane then I will be buying 1 or 2 ( I'm not over concerned about rivets but the rest of it ). If not then I've no real reason to get it.

Eduard's 1/48 P-39 is one of the few 1/48 kits that I have built, and and at least the pretty basic cockpit and the thick leading edges are something that even a casual builder like me notices. I had Hasegawa's P-39 (occassionally Plastmodel has had Hasegawa kits that are not so easy to find elsewhere in Europe), but I sold it. 

Arma Hobby's steel balls as nose weight is a very nice addition, I'm sure many who have not built a tail-sitter before will appreciate that

[Tbolt]

11 minutes ago, TheKinksFan said:

Eduard's 1/48 P-39 is one of the few 1/48 kits that I have built, and and at least the pretty basic cockpit and the thick leading edges are something that even a casual builder like me notices. I had Hasegawa's P-39 (occassionally Plastmodel has had Hasegawa kits that are not so easy to find elsewhere in Europe), but I sold it. 

Arma Hobby's steel balls as nose weight is a very nice addition, I'm sure many who have not built a tail-sitter before will appreciate that

 

For all its faults Eduard were obviously confident enough in their P-39 that they recently bought out a new boxing, so it must be selling okay still and a new kit needs to make an impression for many people to pay Arma prices.

 

Anyway at the moment we've only seen some low quality images of something thst might nof be the finally product ( its not even in the dark grey plastic Arma use ), so let's wait and see what the kit actually looks like.

[plastiksurgeon]

Perhaps it's time to edit the title for this thread?

[Tiger331]

10 hours ago, SprueMan said:

Eduard go home!

As expected from Arma hobby, it is great.

The car-doors can be open or closed, the cockpit detail is better and the weights are included (small thing, but pleasing to see)

The only concern I have is the gun cover on the engine. That will require a bit of attention.

 

If their Hurricane kit is anything to go by, there will be NO fit issue with the gun cover. I suspect this is a 'test shot' example and the kits will have near perfect fit just like the Hurricane I am currently building.

2 hours ago, Tbolt said:

 

For all its faults Eduard were obviously confident enough in their P-39 that they recently bought out a new boxing, so it must be selling okay still and a new kit needs to make an impression for many people to pay Arma prices.

 

Anyway at the moment we've only seen some low quality images of something thst might nof be the finally product ( its not even in the dark grey plastic Arma use ), so let's wait and see what the kit actually looks like.

Here here !

[hopkp]

4 hours ago, 2996 Victor said:

Sorry, but how do you know that? The kit isn't due for release until late June/early July, so the model they're showing today will most likely have been built from a test shot.

I've no stake in this debate really, as the subject does precisely nothing for me; neither am I any sort of expert on the injection-moulding process. However, from what I've read on this forum (and others) over the years my understanding is that once a project has reached the stage where test-shots are being produced (never mind box art and decals) then changes are limited to 'fine tuning'. If that's true, then I'd assume that a whole lot of very restrained surface detailing is unlikely to be added to the moulds at this point? As I say, it's all immaterial to me, I'm just genuinely curious about how much can be changed at this point.....

Edited June 1, 2024 by hopkp

[hopkp]

3 hours ago, TheKinksFan said:

I remember Wojtek commenting somewhere (maybe a newsletter) how their 1/48 Hurricane was very expensive to tool, and I bet big part of that was caused by the surface detail. It could well be that they couldn't afford to do the same with the 1/48 Airacobra. Or if they would have, the retail price would be so high that it would affect the sales numbers. What I'm saying that all you surface detail aficionados should mentally prepare for the possibility that it's not gonna be as refined and detailed as their Hurricane.

Personally, I'd regard the absence of all of the rivets as a big improvement. Leaving that aside, as it's really just a matter of individual preference, a quick look online at P-39 'walkarounds' would suggest that it's a much smoother airframe than the Hurricane; it definitely doesn't seem to have much in the way of 'raised' rivets (I'm sure there's an appropriate technical term for these, but I've no idea what it is!), they all look to me to be counter-sunk?

[MrB17]

9 hours ago, Tbolt said:p-39, P-51B and 1/48th Hurricane have this system but they don't use these stand offs

That’s a shame, a missed opportunity, considering the flimsy 1/72 end opening boxes. I have most of the 1/72 kits, except the P-39, and out of those, 3 arrived in flattened boxes, one with minor damage. At least they are putting a heavier cardboard insert in the 1/48 scale boxes, but it would be nice if the standoffs snapped together like the Revell Ju 52.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff

[Missick]

Looking at the sprues,  really looking good. For Hurricane I decided to save my Airfix kits... for this... Eduard will go... welcome Arma. 😆 

[dragonlanceHR]

18 hours ago, 2996 Victor said:

Sorry, but how do you know that? The kit isn't due for release until late June/early July, so the model they're showing today will most likely have been built from a test shot.

99 times out of 100 what you see in test shot is what you get. We'll see.

[Piotr Mikolajski]

On 6/1/2024 at 2:50 PM, Tbolt said:

I would be very surprised if the final kit doesn't have rivets.

 

Yesterday, the designer, when asked about rivets, replied that the kit will not be riveted.

[Tbolt]

43 minutes ago, Piotr Mikolajski said:

 

Yesterday, the designer, when asked about rivets, replied that the kit will not be riveted.

 

Well that is a surprise to be honest. I'm not that worried about rivets myself, but there will be plenty of people moaning about it after what they did with the Hurricane. It will be interesting  to see what price this kit.

[Overflow]

57 minutes ago, Piotr Mikolajski said:

 

Yesterday, the designer, when asked about rivets, replied that the kit will not be riveted.

Thank you Piotr, than I really do not know what would differentiate it from Hasegawa one, except for price.🙄

[Piotr Mikolajski]

TBH this may be a kind of test of the audience and when they hear requests / complaints they will add rivets though. Or it's a test of the market and they will indeed release a kit without rivets. We'll see.

[Tbolt]

10 minutes ago, Overflow said:

Thank you Piotr, than I really do not know what would differentiate it from Hasegawa one, except for price.🙄

 

Hopefully it will be better detailed. If it doesn't really improve on the Hasegawa kit they better hope that Hobby2000 aren't just about to release the Hasegawa kit...

[SleeperService]

9 hours ago, dragonlanceHR said:

99 times out of 100 what you see in test shot is what you get. We'll see.

Engraved detail on the kit means raised detail on the mould and there is no way to add that as things stand. So what we see is what we get unless things are really bad and a new mould is made, which isn't cheap.

 

If really bothered about detail there are ways to add most things with the countersunk rivets one just needs microspheres of the right size, if anybody knows a source I'd be grateful BTW, my previous supplier has gone out of business.

[Wayne Bull]

To be really honest i was a little under welmed with the  test shot, it did not look anywhere as nice as the Hurricane and looked a little soft on the panel lines and detail . Could be the photo but i dont think so . Unless it is the image i dont think this one offers more than the Eduard kit which to me is beaten by the hasegawa kit . So i 'll be sticking with that unless i'm worng ,which is quite probable.

[dragonlanceHR]

24 minutes ago, SleeperService said:

If really bothered about detail there are ways to add most things with the countersunk rivets one just needs microspheres of the right size, if anybody knows a source I'd be grateful BTW, my previous supplier has gone out of business.

Ebay or AliExpress, look for reballing solder balls. Available from 0.2 mm dia upwards.

[Mike]

Looks good.  I'll have something to go next to my P-63 now

[Zulu Lima]

It looks like they just upscaled their 1/72 without refining the detail.  A shame, as I was in the market for a P-39 and willing to pay Hurricane prices.