Arma 1/48 announcement at Babaryba

[Tbolt]

45 minutes ago, HKR said:

It's not my scale and I'm not interested in this model at all, but I'm impressed by your (I mean all writers, not you in particular) denial of the problem (if this is really problem - not for me at least). In the photos of the original plane you can see these rivets literally everywhere.

I would not like to enter into a truly academic discussion about flat rivets represented as recesses, but I do not understand why the dividing lines between sheets are generally accepted as concave grooves. Where's the difference?

 

It's just a matter of taste. It's not right or wrong to have rivets on a kit. Some people like them, some don't. Some people make out like all modern kits should have them and they are not up to modern standards if they don't which is a bit silly. I don't dislike rivet holes if they are done very well in 1/48th and larger scales, not so keen on them in 1/72nd, but it doesn't put me of buying models any model with them, I'm just carefully that any weathering doesn't highlight them too much.

 

In this photo you can clearly see the panel lines and screw/quick release fasteners but you can only just make out some of the rivets where they catch the light just right but any further away and you won't see them.

 

[Wojtek2]

28 minutes ago, mr_stomach said:

The difference is - when you see at the real plane you see panel lines but not rivets.

 

 

 

 

Depends on the observer's position/angle. Properly delicate execution of riveting on the model adds charm to it without a doubt:

https://inchhighguy.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/p39_21.jpg

And although I have already ordered the model, I am in the camp of those disappointed by the lack of rivets 🙂.

[mr_stomach]

1 minute ago, Wojtek2 said:

 

 

Depends on the observer's position/angle. Properly delicate execution of riveting on the model adds charm to it without a doubt:

https://inchhighguy.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/p39_21.jpg

And although I have already ordered the model, I am in the camp of those disappointed by the lack of rivets 🙂.

I prefer lay on period photos and/or on photos of not restored planes. If we take plane from scrap yard, strip it from all primer, putty and paint and than paint it with 1 layer of modern paint - we'll see all those (not present on real plane) details.

[Wojtek2]

12 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

In this photo you can clearly see the panel lines and screw/quick release fasteners but you can only just make out some of the rivets where they catch the light

Why not demand the same effect on the model 🙂.

[Tbolt]

13 minutes ago, Wojtek2 said:

Why not demand the same effect on the model 🙂.

 

Because that demand doesn't currently meet with technology. We would all like perfect scale parts and details on our models but it's just not achievable in such small scales, not with today's technology anyway.

[Wojtek2]

9 minutes ago, mr_stomach said:

I prefer lay on period photos and/or on photos of not restored planes. If we take plane from scrap yard, strip it from all primer, putty and paint and than paint it with 1 layer of modern paint - we'll see all those (not present on real plane) details.

As I understand this is unrestored one not from scrap yard and painted with original old-fashioned paint, just good quality photo:

https://lend-lease.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/airacobra_26_16.jpg

[Tbolt]

28 minutes ago, Wojtek2 said:

 

 

Depends on the observer's position/angle. Properly delicate execution of riveting on the model adds charm to it without a doubt:

https://inchhighguy.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/p39_21.jpg

And although I have already ordered the model, I am in the camp of those disappointed by the lack of rivets 🙂.

 

More time spent on stressed skin effects would be better on a smaller model, though for some aircraft than can be in NMF, rivets certainly can make a difference.

[mr_stomach]

2 minutes ago, Wojtek2 said:

As I understand this is unrestored one not from scrap yard and painted with original old-fashioned paint, just good quality photo:

https://lend-lease.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/airacobra_26_16.jpg

Yes, same plane as my photos 🙂

[Wojtek2]

3 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

Because that demand doesn't currently meet with technology. We would all like perfect scale parts and details on our models but it's just not achievable in such small scales, not with today's technology anyway.

I understand your opinion, but we have examples of today's technology where the representation of rivets was a sufficient approximation of reality, not worse than the approximation of the panel lines, which do not arouse such controversy.

[Bozothenutter]

I'm right!

No I'm right!

 

Ad nauseam.....just don't try to convince each other, it's just opinion....

[Tbolt]

17 minutes ago, Wojtek2 said:

I understand your opinion, but we have examples of today's technology where the representation of rivets was a sufficient approximation of reality, not worse than the approximation of the panel lines, which do not arouse such controversy.

 

Panel lines usually stand out more on an aircraft than rivets do, so doing away with panel lines wouldn't be a very popular option.

[Mike]

3 minutes ago, Bozothenutter said:

I'm right!

No I'm right!

 

Ad nauseam.....just don't try to convince each other, it's just opinion....

Quite right.

 

Can we back off from the pointless back and forth about rivets or not, and concentrate on the kit please?  It is starting to become a trend whenever a new kit is released, and it's DULL, as well as pointless.

[Scimitar F1]

37 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

 

More time spent on stressed skin effects would be better on a smaller model, though for some aircraft than can be in NMF, rivets certainly can make a difference.

Each to their own but if you can see the rivets you can definitely see the stressed skin effect.
 

It is also worth adding the finer the rivets the harder to reinstate post construction 

[Wojtek2]

I wonder what features of the kit don't fall into the dull and pointless category, so that they can be discussed 🙃

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Wojtek2 said:

I wonder what features of the kit don't fall into the dull and pointless category, so that they can be discussed 🙃

The ones that don't devolve into endless repetitive bickering that gets more and more bitter, whilst going nowhere at all.  Those ones.

[SleeperService]

3 hours ago, Wojtek2 said:

I wonder what features of the kit don't fall into the dull and pointless category, so that they can be discussed 🙃

Overall accuracy and shape.

Incorrect details and what needs attention such as features from two or more versions on the same model Trump Supermarine Attacker for example. To exclude items that are personal preference overstated panel lines are one thing, if they are incorrect they should be discussed.

Decals that are incorrect giving the manufacturer a chance to correct or issue an addendum sheet.

Inappropriate weapons included and what can be used instead.

Flash/misalignment on a new tool which indicates that the model may not be around for long buy it now if in doubt.

[Tbolt]

1 hour ago, SleeperService said:

Overall accuracy and shape.

Incorrect details and what needs attention such as features from two or more versions on the same model Trump Supermarine Attacker for example. To exclude items that are personal preference overstated panel lines are one thing, if they are incorrect they should be discussed.

Decals that are incorrect giving the manufacturer a chance to correct or issue an addendum sheet.

Inappropriate weapons included and what can be used instead.

Flash/misalignment on a new tool which indicates that the model may not be around for long buy it now if in doubt.

 

Exactly this.

 

And on that point, the raised circle behind the lower edge of the door, I believe is a light, does anyone know what version of the P-39 it's applicable to as I've only seen it on some P-39's?

 

 

[Tbolt]

"While we wait for the production of the final sprues of the new Airacobra in 1/48 scale to be completed, let’s take a closer look at its decals and masks. Modellers like to focus on plastic sprues, but decals and masks also determine the final appearance of the model!

 

As we have already revealed, in this model kit we are trying slightly different solutions than before. This also applies to decals. So far, we most often ordered them from the excellent Polish company Techmod. This time, for a change, we decided to print them in the 🇮🇹Italian Cartograf. Cartograf needs no introduction to most modellers. Their signature is always a symbol of the highest quality (however, this does not mean that Techmod is missing something)."

 

👉Check what it looks like!

https://armahobbynews.pl/en/blog/2024/06/19/decals-and-masks-for-40010-airacobra-1-48-kit/

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/cQPUp3eEKZeH8R6m/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheKinksFan]

Cartograf 

Techmod decals are pretty nice too, but not on the same level as Cartograf. I just used AH decals printed by Techmod, and the carrier film around them is pretty wide and thick, I should have trimmed it.

[Tbolt]

5 minutes ago, TheKinksFan said:

Cartograf 

Techmod decals are pretty nice too, but not on the same level as Cartograf. I just used AH decals printed by Techmod, and the carrier film around them is pretty wide and thick, I should have trimmed it.

 

As I mentioned before, hopefully they take advantage of this with further boxings of the P-39, as Cartograf do shaded art work better than anyone.

 

 

[HKR]

11 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

 

[...] Cartograf do shaded art work better than anyone.

Absolutely true, although I personally think that if there are no emblems that require tonal transitions, then Techmod is in no way inferior to Cartograph. Once the model comes out, I would advise focusing on content. Unless they have improved the service markings from the smaller edition, they are inadequate. Different versions of the machine had different sets of inscriptions, one common one for all would have to include all their variants, and I don't see that here. Aside from the fact that the 1/72 edition contained about half of what it should have. It's impossible to judge here - you have (not me, I'm 1/72) neither production sprues nor decals. IMO it is far too early for any discussion. Just sit back and wait for the final product. Maybe they changed something after test shots. After all, that's what they are for.

[Tbolt]

1 hour ago, HKR said:

Absolutely true, although I personally think that if there are no emblems that require tonal transitions, then Techmod is in no way inferior to Cartograph. Once the model comes out, I would advise focusing on content. Unless they have improved the service markings from the smaller edition, they are inadequate. Different versions of the machine had different sets of inscriptions, one common one for all would have to include all their variants, and I don't see that here. Aside from the fact that the 1/72 edition contained about half of what it should have. It's impossible to judge here - you have (not me, I'm 1/72) neither production sprues nor decals. IMO it is far too early for any discussion. Just sit back and wait for the final product. Maybe they changed something after test shots. After all, that's what they are for.

 

The stencils look the same to me. In both scales they go from item 53 to 109.

[SleeperService]

19 hours ago, Tbolt said:

And on that point, the raised circle behind the lower edge of the door, I believe is a light, does anyone know what version of the P-39 it's applicable to as I've only seen it on some P-39's?

 

 

I believe that was an access point for a fire extinguisher in the event of an engine fire. I'm not sure what models had it as the photos in the D&S Vol 63 aren't reproduced too well. I'll keep looking.

[Tbolt]

32 minutes ago, SleeperService said:

I believe that was an access point for a fire extinguisher in the event of an engine fire. I'm not sure what models had it as the photos in the D&S Vol 63 aren't reproduced too well. I'll keep looking.

 

Okay thanks. This is the best pictures I found of it so far.

 

 

[SleeperService]

Well according to the walkround HERE 44-2664 P-39Q-15-BE didn't have them at all.

 

The intakes just ahead of the exhaust are for cooling the sparkplugs, 'our' opening slopes up steeply and would be about right for the nozzle on a fire extinguisher to cover. Wings of Fame Vol 10 includes the P-39 I'll try and find my copy and see what the cutaway shows.