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The new T 90 from Vespid is available, and although it is up to the usual Vespid standard and has some exquisite detail on it, there are a couple of oddities that someone messed up somewhere.

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The yellow marked item is the first oddity, this is the front lower glacis for a T 90A, the T 90 should be similar to the T 72, I have so far in all my references not found this style on a T90


 

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here we hit the other oddities, the yellow item is the front entrenching blade for a T 90A, it has a different profile to the T 72/T 90 Blade. The blue item is the rear plate, the moulded on details are grouses for the later double pin tracks of a T 90A or late model T 72, further two track links of the later style track are to be added, instead of the Rmsh track supplied in the kit. The red items are a T 90A exhaust and not used in the kit, I am hoping that someone at Vespid has messed up and released the wrong sprue A?

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options for correcting the kit are limited, top row is what vespid supply, the second row is from the Zvezda T 90SM kit, that will fit with a small modification ( cutting the spare track from the rear plate and removing the top portion of the lower glacis). The two beige are from the Revell T 90 and T 72 respectively both can be made to fit. The other lower glacis is from the Zvezda T 72B3 will also fit. The lower glacis from the Revell T 90 won’t fit without a lot of work. Or you could cut the details from the Vespid kit and use the blade from the Zvezda MSTA and a couple of spare track links. Also shown are the wheels with the two tiny alignment points that require care and diligence to get right

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numbering error in the instructions, also I would make it the other way round, although the arms are keyed they are a little loose fitting, the arms attached to the shock absorbers (B15+A11,12,13etc) are more precise in placement and the other arms can be adjusted to match, 

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also these parts (B4) although keyed have a 45 degree range of movement but should all face the same direction and towards the arm (seeing as how they are the bump stops for them)

The next part of the instructions are to add the wheels and then the hull top, this seems awkward for adding the tracks later and it is quite alright to leave them separate until the end, the wheel axles are really thin and won’t take much manhandling. So for this part I made the glacis and hull top seperatespacer.png

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A nice fiddling piece is the PE round the commander’s cupola, I struggled with this on a 1/35 kit, surprisingly it wasn’t as hard as anticipated 

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this is it just placed together so far

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you really need to let the glue dry on the wheels, it is not the strongest of bonds but should be ok when the tracks are attached.

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almost forgot the 3D printed shtora emitters and head lights and the fuel lines for the rear drums and gun shroud, most of these are also in plastic with the exception of the canvas for the gun, the plastic parts are for a gun without the canvas fitted.

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@Old pro Looks like a great kit. It'll be good to see it beginning to go together with your customary expertise.

I must confess I'd have remained blissfully ignorant of the kits' inaccuracies if they'd not been mentioned above.

One of the benefits of Britmodeller is access to all the technical knowledge of fellow modellers here.

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22 hours ago, echen said:

@Old pro Looks like a great kit. It'll be good to see it beginning to go together with your customary expertise.

I must confess I'd have remained blissfully ignorant of the kits' inaccuracies if they'd not been mentioned above.

One of the benefits of Britmodeller is access to all the technical knowledge of fellow modellers here.

Knowledge is a curse! The hull can not be used for a T 90 or early T 90A, the roof around the driver has been reinforced, something that didn’t happen until part way through the T 90A production. So plans will be changing, I really had high hopes for this kit and the details and moulding are superb, just some are wrong!

to further add to the misery, the 3D canvas for the gun doesn’t fit in any way, shape or form

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this is a side view of the canvas, it is supposed to reach the yellow line!

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This is it in plan view, it is supposed to cover the red area, there is no plastic substitute in the kit, the plastic option is the gun mount without the canvas.

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on a brighter not the commanders cupola is well detailed, a kit in itself 

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@Old pro How about extending the canvas with some foil or greenstuff if the width issue can be resolved?

I used foil faired in with filler to add rear and front canvas to my 1/72 QLD cover.

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Perhaps it might work for the T90?

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6 hours ago, echen said:

@Old pro How about extending the canvas with some foil or greenstuff if the width issue can be resolved?

I used foil faired in with filler to add rear and front canvas to my 1/72 QLD cover.

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Perhaps it might work for the T90?

I will get round it, Zvezda canvas will fit with some slight modification, I have plenty of spares as a result of manufacturers not being able to get a Russian tank right.

its sort of become a mute point anyway, you can not build a T 90 with this kit, the sprockets only have 12 teeth instead of 14 which makes the tracks too big. tthe hull is definitely a T 90A hull, by using the correct exhaust and getting a new turret (and tracks and sprocket) it will be a pretty decent model.

the only question is what to use this turret on? The only possibility is the Revell T 72 hull but that requires some slight modifications, not a problem for me as I have boxes of spares but that way requires 4 or more kits, works out expensive for those who don’t.

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And so ends this build in disappointment! You can not build an accurate T 90 from this kit, sure it will look like one, is beautifully moulded and well detailed and would have been a wonderful kit if accurate.

The hull is definitely for a T 90A (although new tracks and sprocket are needed)

the tracks are oversized, they either made the wrong sprockets and designed the track to fit or vice versa.

because of the inclusion of T 90A parts it’s hard to tell if that was the original plan and they didn’t understand the changes of whether there were 2 design teams that didn’t talk? If Vespid do release a T 90A kit then it will be really nice, all they need is to get the turret right and the same level of detail.

 

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Crud! Ive got two on order 😔  

Pitty about the canvas 3d parts too!

 

Guessing zvezdas t-72b3 cant be combined? Was getting the itch to piece together a 'object 188-1' t-72BM😁

 

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Cheers!

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6 hours ago, Modelraynz said:

Crud! Ive got two on order 😔  

Pitty about the canvas 3d parts too!

 

Guessing zvezdas t-72b3 cant be combined? Was getting the itch to piece together a 'object 188-1' t-72BM😁

 

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Cheers!

The Zvezda B3 also has the reinforced hull roof, as does the Revell T 90/90A, the closest you can get is modifying a Revell T 72M1 hull. it is dependant on what you are willing to accept? I am sure for most people this kit will be fine and not notice the mistakes but when your whole thing is Soviet/Russian armour it becomes a pain.

with the addition of new tracks and sprocket, the kit can be built as a one of demonstrator in a weird sand green and blueish black colour known as a T 90K (K normally reserved for command tanks) 

fun fact on the 3D printed canvas


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it is a better fit for a T 90A, this is a modified zvezda 

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but it also fits the Revell

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note I didn’t fix the roof on this one but did the sides

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quick edit,

The Zvezda T 90A hull will give you a correct one, but you would have to do something about the horribly incorrect lower hull.

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Sounds a bit disappointing, been waiting for this one, although will probably still get one.

 

How does it fair against the model collect kit? or various parts, I have a few in the stash but almost impossible to buy now.

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6 hours ago, sardaukar said:

Sounds a bit disappointing, been waiting for this one, although will probably still get one.

 

How does it fair against the model collect kit? or various parts, I have a few in the stash but almost impossible to buy now.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much, apart from the errors it is a wonderful kit and far surpasses the Modelcollect kits. I am too much of a purist when it comes to Russian armour for my own good sometimes, the hull is perfect for a T 90A so I will use that and find something else for the turret. The level of detail is the best of any kit so far.

The 3D canvas is disappointing as there is no plastic replacement in the kit, but you could add it from a material of your choosing, I will certainly get another for parts.

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