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After I purchased the Pocher 1/8 scale Lotus 72D and I really enjoyed the additional upgrades suggested by Paul Koo, I was hooked on the scale and what you can do with it.  I have been watching World of Wayne for some time and saw his build of the Porsche 917. This will be my first subscription build and I hope everything goes well. I  decided to change the Steve McQueen Nr. 20 to the Siffert/Redman Spa 1970 winning car with the Nr. 24. Before I received the first package, I already started the project.

 

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After downloading hundreds of pictures, I started with the left front suspensions and add nuts and bolt instead of the kit's provided Phillips screws. I scratch build the inside of hub carrier piece. I found on the internet a video series of a 917 restoration, that showed this side of the part. It is not 100% accurate but good enough without cutting the hub carrier apart.

Although the Agora model is very nice, they took a lot of liberty in those pieces.

 

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The crosspiece got two upgrades. Instead of the out of place Phillips screws, I glued in brass tubing and painted them silver. They are a little recessed to simulate the right position of the headless hex bolts. The crosspiece plate got 4 hex screw dummies. On the other side of the disc, I painted the molded on hex head silver to match the bolts on the other side.

 

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I worked a little bit on the gearbox parts. None of the bolts and nuts that hold the whole thing together are even simulated.

I added M1.2 bolts and nuts to the back part of the gearbox. There was not much of a lip and I might use fake nuts and bolts that are smaller, if I would do it again. The bigger holes will be filled with a glued in rod to make the M1.2 bolts work.

I also added a M1 nut  above the left hole for the muffler holder. I don't know the purpose but it showed it clearly on the pictures I found.

I filled off all the molded  on nuts, drilled holes and will add M0.8 nuts and bolts. Although the color of the gearbox seemed to be spot on, I scratched the pieces too much for just a touch up job and need to repaint everything at the end.

 

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The right gearbox had all the fasteners missing for the two metal shafts. The mounting bracket needed 4 bolts in the corners. Before final painting, I will remove the Phillips screw and patch the hole.

The side shifter needed a little bit more work. I had to add some plastic pieces and putty to give me some room to add 3 additional nuts and bolts.

I have to wait for the second package for the other side of the gearbox but that should be arriving soon.

 

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So far, the parts fit nicely together and the manual are easy to follow. Pocher could learn here a lot. On the other hand, the level of detail on the Porsche 917 so far is below Pocher's Lotus 72 and I have the feeling the cater to a different type of modeler. But I still have fun to figure out all the upgrades with out the Paul Koo training wheels.

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I finished the gearbox.  A lot of work went into drilling holes on the left gearbox side, 15 just for the circle. Fortunately the Agora model does not have many molded on pieces and I only had to file of a few of them. When they are molded on screws, they are mostly just a hump. I repainted the entire gear box brown and use a black wash. The pictures show the gearbox much darker/blacker than it acutely is. The muffler plate also got bolts and nuts and a Tamyia Panel Line treatment. I used 0.8mm and 1.2mm real bolts and nuts but had to paint them silver, since I could only find them in brass. Original pictures showed more bolts but the casting did not have the space to add them and there is a limit how much I want to change the casting.

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I finished the 2 pack. I spend a lot of time on adding bolts and nuts on the different parts or painted them if the were part of the mold.

I also upgraded the 2 alternators with 3 cables and repainted it in aluminum. The cooling blades were painted gray to simulate that type of sheet metal they would have used. The fuel pump got the missing hook ups in the back according to pictures I found on the internet. I noticed, they were to indentations in the mold at that spot and I believe this hook up part was planed originally and never made it to the production line.

I used Tamiya Panel Line for the cylinders to give them a little bit more depth since they are really to shallow. I did not want to spent to much time on them, since they will not be very visible at the end.

 

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The model is also missing a lot of cables which I added very easily for example on the alternator. Some parts have indentations where the model designer wanted to add the necessary cables and tubing but later was omitted in the production.

 

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The most time I spent on the fuel pump. I added a lot of screws, nuts and bolts and repainted every piece (except the yellow plates) to match my pictures I found on the internet. On the cover plate, the bolts were missing although the prototypical indentations where provided. The 2 Bosch plates where copied from an original fuel pump that I found on a sellers website. They are too small to read but I know they are there.

 

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The muffler holder plate was updated with the right fasteners.

 

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I studied more pictures with the fuel pump. I realized, the red hex plug is just a plastic plug, used when the motor is out off the car. This is actually the connection to the fuel tanks. I had to remove the red piece and I made the first test fuel line, since the model does not come with the tubing.

Some 917 had rubber tubing some had breaded hoses. I just like the breaded hoses for there looks.

The Agora model uses just black tubing pushed on a pin. This does not look like the original at all and I have to change all the hock ups to 'side mount'.

 

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Thanks Trevor

The model for me is too expensive just to put it together in a few hours.

It helps, to check out this forum for ideas and inspiration.

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917/001 has a banjo fitting in this area (as per your photo), but with a black rubber hose with gold end fittings rather than  a braided hose. Bearing in mind the need to restore 001 to 'launch' specification, I suspect that this is the correct 'period' configuration. I've also noted other 917s dispensing with the banjo fitting in this area and going instead for a 'straight' adaptor in the fuel pump body and a 90-degree elbow on the hose itself.

 

So it looks like there may be several options!

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Saberjet
I checked more pictures from 1970/71 and found only a few pictures that would show the hoses around the fuel tank. I only found 1 in 1971 that had breaded hoses while 3 showed black rubber hose as you described it. I also have 1 with straight connectors on a more recent rebuild.

The picture of the 917 on Sotheby’s website of the Monterey auction even shows a combination of both hose types but that car was once converted to a spider and back.

Until I find a picture of the 1970 Spa car, I plan on the breaded hose since the stick out a little bit better against the dark background.

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From what I have seen so far, this build is certainly going to make up into a beautiful model of the 917 Porsche.

 

I looked on the Agora stand at Telford last year and was very impressed with the models they had on display. The Cobra and E Type caught my eye as well as their new JB DB5 model.

 

Recently there has been some speculation about Hornby releasing a 917 Porsche under their Pocher brand name kits. Cannot understand why they would want to duplicate a subject that Agora already make. Considering the market place for very expensive car kits being a bit exclusive price wise, if this is correct I cannot understand their rationale behind choosing the 917 as a subject.

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Well they have been and done it!  I have now seen the Pocher 917 advertised. Due for release mid year instead of the usual Christmas run up.

It looks nice from the PR pictures released, so it will be interesting to see the inevitable comparisons that will be made with the Agora kit when model makers start to get their hands on them.

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I only have Pocher’s Lotus 72D as a comparison. It seems, Pocher puts more effort into the details since the target expert model builder while Agora caters to all levels. It shows even with the manual. While Pocher is a mess, Agora is like a Lego manual and even employees customer to help with video and step by step pictures for a trouble free build.

I assume, Pocher’s model will be closer to the original than the Agora but with about 80% of the parts hidden (lower part of the motor) when displayed, will it be noticable?

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Screw together part series car models unfortunately have to come with some compromises to enable construction by just about anyone.

It's a different market altogether to the proficient experienced car modeller that MFH aims at with the new Pocher kits probably falling somewhere in between the two.

Serious modellers however will take any kit as a basic starting point for what they want to achieve and try to get over any visual shortcomings by adding missing details etc.

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