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G'day Chums,I'd like to join in with this one if I may.

 

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Here's what's in the box.

 

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The map suggests starting with the cockpit.For a change all the relevant bits are to be found on the same area of the same frame making life easy by not having to search through everything twice 'cos I've missed a bit :yes: .


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A quick dryfit in the fuselage looked very promising


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but taping the fuselage together showed up a couple of joints that might not close up properly when doing this bit for real.


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The locations for the struts look very definite.


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The lower wing has been temporarily fitted using liquid latex


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so that I can have an easy run at setting up the struts early on in the build.


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The fit into the upper wing is going to require some filler.


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The pitot probe is there but decidedly chunky.


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It should look like this,photo found here https://www.coroflot.com/davidormerod/tiger-moth-restoration

 

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What I normally do for the rigging is drill holes to take the wires but on this machine it's all done on surface mounted plates using streamlined wire so I'm going to have to think about a way of doing it where I don't lose the will to live.This photo is from the BM walkaround department https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/76585-de-havilland-dh82-tiger-moth/

 

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More soon Chums,thanks for looking in.

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Hello again Chums,a little progress.

 

Cliff,thanks old fruit.

 

Col,Dennis cheers chaps.I'm going for the boxart scheme on this one but I'll have to take it on trust because I haven't found any photos of it from way back when.I found the gen for this one here https://air-britain.com/pdfs/production-lists/DH82.pdf which reads;

 

1757 (Deld without engine) Toc as K2585 at Home Aircraft Depot, Henlow 19.12.31. To DH 6.4.32 for conversion to inverted flying. To CFS Upavon 13.5.32. Returned to DH 11.8.32 and converted to standard. To 2 ASU, Cardington 30.9.32 for storage. To DH 10.4.33 for conversion to inverted flying. To CFS Upavon 9.5.33. To HAD Henlow 24.7.33 for conversion to standard; to store 10.11.33. Removed from store 29.10.34 and used locally for Cardington ferry pilots. To 24 Squadron, Hendon 22.1.35. To DH 11.5.35 [repairs?]. Returned to 24 Squadron 21.5.35. Reported on charge RAF Church Fenton 5.37; unconfirmed. Converted to instructional airframe 1157M at 5 School of Technical Training, Locking 28.10.38. To 6 MU Brize Norton 9.11.38. At RAF Weeton [31.12.42].

 

which basically means it wouldn't have had the anti spin strakes added to the aft fuselage having been relegated to maintenance training well before the modification at the end of 1941 https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234986688-148-aeroclub-dh82a-tiger-moth/&do=findComment&comment=2067541.

 

I've started to alter the pitot tube mounting by thinning it and chopping off the unwanted bit.

 

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The mounting plates for the rigging have been started.A series of 0.3mm holes have been drilled into the edge of a PE brass fret which has been suitably scribed most of the way through to make a strip.


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This strip was then bent back and forth until it broke away because cutting it off with scissors gave me a bent curly lump which wasn't going to be easily useable,top right of this piccie.


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Apologies for lousy photography,the airspeed indicator is represented by a featureless triangle on the port forward strut.


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It should look like this,picture found on Pprune

 

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I made something that looks a bit less featureless from some more of the brass fret soldered together and a bit of wire.I haven't worked out how I'm going to fit the vane with the spring yet.


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The struts have been glued to the upper wing so that the fillery can be done while I can still get at it.


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Thanks all for looking in,more soon.

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Hi Alex,

for some unexplained reason, my build of the same Tiger Moth stalled when it was over 80% done. Build to be resumed in 2024, so all is not lost.

I did quite a bit of research and the main t hing is that these early Tigers did not have any front cockpit, nor any anti-spin thingies at the tail end.

 

Here is what I got to, and I should not be too far from the real thing.

 

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There are some photos on Getty images that I can PM you if you are interested.

It is a great kit!

 

JR.

 

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G'day again Chums,a little more done.

 

Jean,thanks for popping in old fruit.Your build does look good,it's a bit odd how the interest can wane when something is going well.I don't doubt you but is it possible that the aircraft were supplied with a cover for the front cockpit when not in use? Photo found here https://www.expressandstar.com/news/Features/2021/10/29/moth-mystery-to-test-aviation-experts/

 

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Photo found here https://www.bbc.co.uk/cambridgeshire/content/image_galleries/tiger_moths_gallery.shtml?13

 

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I've enough walkaround photos to be going on with but if you've any images of K 2585 from its life between 1931 and 1938 I'd like to have a look because I haven't found one yet.I'm quite happy if you pass me a link to any,it'll save all that fussing about uploading and so on.

I must admit this kit does have a feel about it that is good,there's a lot that has been well thought out and makes life easy for cleanup and painting.

 

The struts will have a spot of Milliput around where they have been mounted.

 

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The pushrod tubes and cooling duct will be painted before bits are glued together.The map shows them being pushed into the far port side of the duct.


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I haven't tried the fit yet but it should look like this,yet another photo I didn't make a note of where I found it,apologies to the owner.

 

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The cylinders look well enough for how visible they are going to be.


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I saw the exhaust tube and thought it was going to be a right game,there's this huge great big gate right on the most visible bit which,once I'd put a thin saw through it,

 

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turned out to be the tiniest attachment point I've seen in a while and didn't take much cleaning up at all.


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I was going to glue the oil tank on until I remembered that I've got to paint behind it first.I might have to add the filler tube to it too,much easier when you can get at it and nothing's in the way.


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More soon Chums,thanks for looking in.

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Hi Alex,

 

you may be correct as far as the front cockpit being covered when not in use. I don't claim to be a Tiger Moth boffin.

But it would appear too that among the initial batch, quite a few of them were built as single seats aerobatic specials, a bunch of them finding their way to the Central Flying School aerobatic team.

Here are two references to enter into the search section of the Getty Images site:

78969465 and 159136891.

 

You are doing a fine job.

Have fun.

 

JR

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Hello again Chums,some twiddly bits.

 

Jean,thank you very much old chum.Those photos didn't show up on any search I did and they are exactly what I was hoping to find.

 

The photos linked to above originate from the RAF Museum collection and were taken by Charles E Brown.They are trying to sell copies of these so I'd better put a link here.https://www.rafmuseumphotos.com/royal-air-force/display-teams/tiger-moth-i-aircraft-central-flying-school-1768743.html

 

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https://www.rafmuseumphotos.com/royal-air-force/display-teams/havilland-tiger-moth-aircraft-central-flying-1329420.html

 

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I can't make out the front windscreen framing on any of the aircraft so I will agree with Jean that they were not fitted.

 

The exhaust pipe has been painted with Humbrol 119 Light Earth and then rubbed over with pencil lead dust.

 

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The first of the rigging anchor plates have been superglued on.


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Some of these are tricky to make.


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I'm starting to panic about the number of 0.3mm drill bits I'm going through on this caper.


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Thanks all for looking in Chums,more soon.

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8 hours ago, Alex Gordon said:

 

 

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https://www.rafmuseumphotos.com/royal-air-force/display-teams/havilland-tiger-moth-aircraft-central-flying-1329420.html

 

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I can't make out the front windscreen framing on any of the aircraft so I will agree with Jean that they were not fitted.

 

Hi Alex,

 

glad I could be of help.

We have reached the same conclusion concerning the front windscreen.

On my side, the rigging will simply be glued into holes I have already drilled. I admire you for all this microsurgery!

 

I have a question: what is the make of these drill bits you are using. I have never been able to find them.

 

Keep enjoying your Tiger.

 

JR

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14 hours ago, Alex Gordon said:

I'm starting to panic about the number of 0.3mm drill bits I'm going through on this caper.

 

I've broken a few. I think it might help to keep the bit perpendicular to the surface (no sideways movement) and to remove by turning the opposite direction. If the bit sticks, might help to alternate directions of turn until it frees up.

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7 hours ago, marvinneko said:

 

I've broken a few. I think it might help to keep the bit perpendicular to the surface (no sideways movement) and to remove by turning the opposite direction. If the bit sticks, might help to alternate directions of turn until it frees up.

Add to which, reverse turn every few turns forward, and pull out as you are drilling.
This is to break up the plastic swarf, and to clear the same from the hole.

Hope this will reduce your breakages.

p.s. really like that exhaust

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G'day again Chums,a little more to show.

 

Marvinneko,Robert,thanks for popping by.The biggest snag I have with drilling is the magnifier lamp that I can't do tiny stuff without.Its fixed focus lens invariably positions it just that fraction too close to whatever I'm working on which means that when I try to wield a paintbrush or use a pin vice I end up knocking into it with the usual consequences.That and the fact that PCB drills tend to have an aggressive bite which draws them through the work until they bottom out before rounding the hole off and can be difficult to withdraw without giving that slight sideways twitch which,on a 0.3mm bit,is usually fatal.

 

Jean,glad you got the PM.It was only after I pressed send that it occurred to me that Amazon might not be an entity in your neck of the woods.

 

To assuage curiosity

https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcing-map-Tungsten-Carbide-Engraving/dp/B07ZVRV33N

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WayinTop-Carbide-0-3mm-1-2mm-Circuit-Engraving/dp/B07S82M2GM

 

I thought I'd have a look at the propellor.The spinner is a tiny little thing that looks like it might be fun to position.

 

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There is a choice of three propellors,the one in the middle is appropriate for a 1930's aircraft.


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The gates look formidable but aren't difficult to clean up if cut through carefully.


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In the 1930's wooden propellors on military aircraft weren't painted black https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235125186-1930s-tiger-moth-propellers-painted-black-or-not/ .I gave the centre of mine a coat of Humbrol 119 Light Earth.Once dry I started the process of masking and painting the darker laminations with 29 Dark Earth.


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The instrument panels have been painted and the decals applied.


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More soon Chums,thanks for looking in.

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Nice work on my favourite parts - propellers and instruments panels, seriously! 🤫

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Hello again Chums,some more done.

 

Toryu,Dennis,thanks chaps.The IPs are all down to Cartograf,all I've done is slap a bit of paint on and place the decals.

 

When you know what to look for things turn up.  https://benitz.com/Watt/WattPercyM1906_Photos.html was found while looking for Charles E. Brown images which contains these two photos

 

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Anyway I thought the cockpit still looked a bit bare after a coat of green paint.

 

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Yet another photo,the origin of which I didn't make a note of when I found it,gave me a bit of an idea of what to add.

 

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A few bits of plastic card and runner later

 

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followed by a drop of paint gave me this.


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The instrument panels went in with no problems.


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The fuselage halves have been glued together and taped up tightly to make sure the gaps were closed up properly.The fit is good but needs a little assistance.The clamp at the aft end is to stop the slight up/down displacement that it seemed to want to do.


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Finding photos of how the propellor looked took a bit of doing.I eventually ended up here https://www.baesystems.com/en/heritage/de-havilland-dh60giii---moth-major  where I found this photo

 

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which gave me a bit of a clue.Then the Percy Watt page above turned up a decent size photo which was just what was required.


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Thanks for looking in Chums,more soon.

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Between the extra detail you're adding and the period photos you share this thread is becoming a treat to view updates on Alex :speak_cool:

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G'day again Chums,a spot of progress.

 

Col,thanks old chum.You're going to laugh your bits off at the end of this post.

 

The fuselage halves have been put together

 

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with the anticipated joints showing up.


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The engine has had a slap of paint.The vertical tubes in the cooling duct didn't push all the way across to the wrong side as I thought they might.


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I thought I'd put the cowling together.


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The sequence on the map was followed but the aft end of the upper portion was only temporarily fixed so that the assembled lump could be removed.


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As it turns out the assembly can be done away from the fuselage with a little dexterity and perhaps a bit of tape to hold the components together before glueing.

 
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The spinner has come up rather well.


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I've been looking at the paint job.The map recommends Humbrol 19 Gloss Bright Red (didn't it used to be Post Office Red many moons ago?) but it doesn't match the decals.Nor did any of my quick mixes adding a drop of black to darken it and none of the other reds in the paint store come close.


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The kit supplied decals are good for the machine currently flying but are far enough different to the original scheme to cause me to think again.


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This has led me to have a change of direction.If I've got to mess about with all the markings I might as well take another route.Found here https://www.pinterest.com/pin/302233824965583108/

 

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A run of the mill training machine the gen for which is;3284 Toc as K4288 at 2 ASU Cardington 9.5.35. To 18 ERFTS Fairoaks 16.9.37; coded "3". Unit re-designated 18 EFTS 15.10.39. To 10
MU Hullavington 30.7.45. Soc as scrap 25.5.50.

All of the above digging won't be wasted,it is all in one place so any that tread this path can have an easier trip.It also means that I'm building something more representative of the many and not something specialist and niche.

 

Anyway,if you remember the bits I added to the cockpit last time it turns out that I've fallen foul of the Dreaded Flipped Photo Syndrome.Deep joy.


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You may now stop giggling,more soon Chums,thanks for looking in.

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For the red you might try Gunze (Mr. Hobby) 327 (FS 11136) if you have it handy.

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Just a pointer re the earliest Tigers, the upper fuselage decking behind the cockpit were fabric covered. The preserved one at Shuttleworth is representative of the early aerobatic team Moth, but has the later  standard fuselage.

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On 4/14/2024 at 1:35 PM, Alex Gordon said:

..if you remember the bits I added to the cockpit last time it turns out that I've fallen foul of the Dreaded Flipped Photo Syndrome. Deep joy.

Ah damn. I'm not laughing at all Alex :( All I can offer by way of compensation is that you've proved you are capable of creating this detail so perhaps it was a practice session. Your decision to model K4288 as an example of the many otherwise unremarked machines which gave good service to no fanfare is an admirable one.

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Hello again Chums,uncertainty this time.

 

Toryu,thanks old bean.I don't have any Gunze paint at all but thanks for the pointer.

 

Paul,thanks old fruit.Looking at the photo there doesn't seem to be a difference in the smoothness and shape between it and the kit but it's one of those things that might be handy to be aware of.

 

Col,cheers old chum.You're going to really enjoy this next bit.

 

It turns out that the machine I'm going for has been dicussed before https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235044015-tiger-moth-k-4288-d-colour-questions/

 

Having pulled out the suspect creation and used it as a pattern to knock up a mirrored replacement which,to my eye,came out a little more refined than the first one

 

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I had another look at my modified photo.Something didn't look quite right,there was just something about the instruments and orientation of the compass.

 

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I had a bit of a twiddle in Paint and came up with this image.


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Anyway I've one of each now and as this will be a two seater they will both be going in,one each side.I'll also have to make the padding to go on the rims above the instrument panels so that the incumbents don't have an oooh nasty if they have a whoops a daisy.


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Yet another photo I didn't note the origin of.


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This one's got levers on both sides of the rear cockpit,now I'm really confused.

More soon Chums,thanks for looking in.

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18 hours ago, Alex Gordon said:

This one's got levers on both sides of the rear cockpit,now I'm really confused.

Is the right hand side lever for another purpose? Such as a glider towing release mechanism. (Yes, as you can tell, I've no idea what I'm talking about and clutching at straws now.)

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G'day again Chums,some more twiddly bits.

 

Col,cheers old chum.Don't worry,so am I.

 

It turns out that I had it right in the first place.Much searching didn't turn up the RAF Pilots Notes but did I did find this video which seemed to show promise

 

 

but didn't reveal what I wanted to know.

 

The RAAF version of the Pilots Notes is relatively easy to find and is buckshee here https://www.jeversteamlaundry.org/tigpictures.htm and the relevant bit states

 

  7.  Elevator and Rudder Trim

(i) Longitudinal trimming is effected by spring loading the elevators. The required tension is obtained by a lever and quadrant situated on the left of each cockpit.   These trimming springs (39) are both adjustable for tension in the rear cockpit.

 8.  Automatic Slots
(i)Auto slots (7) are fitted to the top mainplanes and are provided with a locking gear.  The operating lever and quadrant are situated on the right hand side of the rear cockpit below the instrument panel.

 

and it is supposed to look like this,photo found on Pinterest.

 

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This means I've now had to make more of them.

 

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The Sutton Harness for the front seat has been made too.

I'm pleased that I didn't attach the cowling,the view into the cooling duct should look like this,photo found here http://www.grubby-fingers-aircraft-illustration.com/tiger_moth_walkaround.html

 

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which means that I have some more work to do.


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Thanks all for looking in,more soon.

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On 4/14/2024 at 2:35 PM, Alex Gordon said:

 

 

I've been looking at the paint job.The map recommends Humbrol 19 Gloss Bright Red (didn't it used to be Post Office Red many moons ago?) but it doesn't match the decals.Nor did any of my quick mixes adding a drop of black to darken it and none of the other reds in the paint store come close.


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The kit supplied decals are good for the machine currently flying but are far enough different to the original scheme to cause me to think again.


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Hi Alex,

I must say that the  tinlet of Humbrol 19 I have used is spot on and matches the color of the decals.

There seems to be variations between batches of paint. I was lucky.

Re the decals, I did notice some discrepancies with the original photos, but these were not serious enough in my eyes to trash the paint scheme altogether, especially as the alternative scheme offered by Airfix did not enthrall me at all.

The only decals I changed were the underneath roundels, terribly undersized on the decal sheet.

 

I am happy with the Tiger I chose.  The paint works appeals to me, even if, as you say, the plane is not representative of the majority of Tiger Moths used by the RAF.

You opting for a different scheme and a standard double cockpit is a well thought out decision.

So long as we enjoy what we build, this is a great hobby.

 

Great show so far!

JR.

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