Photo Real

[mark.au]

I’ve not proposed or hosted one of these before, so here goes nothing…

 

This GB would be based on recreating a photo of the subject, including weathering and markings details.  It need not be a diorama, though obviously there’s a lot of scope for that.  Once the model is completed the gallery pics include a photo(s) (which, of course, must not infringe any copyright as per Britmodeller.com's standard rules) of the model against the photo you used of the original - same angle, black and white if the original is same, etc..  There’s all kinds of latitude in subject and era, and I reckon would make for an interesting final gallery.

 

Cheers.

 

Edited to add…

 

Let’s make a list.

 

1. Me

2. @Mjwomack

3. @Corsairfoxfouruncle

4. @Quailane

5. @Col.

6. @Wings unlevel

7. @2996 Victor

8. ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2024 by mark.au
Making a list

[Mjwomack]

Way beyond me to do anything too realistic, but my model railway needs lots of prototypical buildings so I'll rock up for it (and hopefully live to regret it!!)

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

Yep Sure thing count me in. 

[Quailane]

Count me in! I have the photo and subject in mind.

[Col.]

Nice idea Mark.

[mark.au]

8 hours ago, Col. said:

Nice idea Mark.

Thanks! Join in, you know you want to 😊 

 

On 03/03/2024 at 21:14, Mjwomack said:

Way beyond me to do anything too realistic, but my model railway needs lots of prototypical buildings so I'll rock up for it (and hopefully live to regret it!!)

Buildings! Didn’t think of that but that’ll add some variety for sure.

 

On 04/03/2024 at 05:33, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Yep Sure thing count me in. 

 

Excellent, lots of Corsair photos about… 😉

 

12 hours ago, Quailane said:

Count me in! I have the photo and subject in mind.

 

You’re ahead of me! I’ve got a few ideas for mine, too many though!

[Col.]

16 hours ago, mark.au said:

Thanks! Join in, you know you want to 😊 

Yip, I'll play, got a few options in mind already

[Wings unlevel]

Love the idea. Love the idea of being challenged by it, and great how inclusive and diverse it promises to be - sign me up.

 

Gerard

[mark.au]

1 hour ago, Wings unlevel said:

Love the idea. Love the idea of being challenged by it, and great how inclusive and diverse it promises to be - sign me up.

 

Gerard

 

Great!  Welcome aboard

[2996 Victor]

Hi Mark,

 

I'm up for this - please tag me onto the list! Not sure what I'd go for but @Mjwomack's post above has got me thinking along similar (railway!) lines.

 

Cheers,

Mark

[ckw]

Hate to put a damper on this, but are you not risking copyright issues with regards to re-publishing the original photo? There may have to be some provisos regarding this. 

 

Cheers

 

Colin

[Mjwomack]

41 minutes ago, ckw said:

Hate to put a damper on this, but are you not risking copyright issues with regards to re-publishing the original photo? There may have to be some provisos regarding this. 

 

Cheers

 

Colin

For my part, they'd be my own photos, aside from that I think the key is to fully credit the source. Over to the legal eagles though

[ckw]

15 minutes ago, Mjwomack said:

I think the key is to fully credit the source

Sadly that doesn't cut it. You may see this across the 'net, but legally it has no weight. In cases where the copyright holder has given permission, it can be on the condition that the source is credited, which may give the impression that crediting is enough. It isn't.

 

Of course, you may well get away with using pictures without permission. But you may not. Some sites and individuals are quite aggressive about protecting their copyright. There are also services which will actively seek out illegal use on behalf of the photographer (they then take a percentage of any damages).

 

Some might think use in this context falls under 'Fair use' but in my opinion that would be difficult to argue. Fair use allows for use in criticism, comment, news reporting or (in some cases) teaching. 

 

The biggest misconception is that because an image is freely available on the 'net, it can be used. Unless an image is explicitly noted as being in the public domain, it must be assumed to be protected by copyright.

 

One way around the problem would be to create a link to the image (if its online) rather than taking a copy.  To date, this has not been ruled a breach of copyright by the courts (provided the link does not bypass any restrictions the host site may have in place).

 

Cheers

 

Colin

[cmatthewbacon]

I think if you incorporate the picture in the display of something that's predominantly your own work of "art" then it comes under the fair use heading of being "transformative":

 

 

 

ie, I think there are ways to display the image with the model, and ways to _photograph_ the image with the model without there being copyright issues...

 

When we did the two CBK SIG Box Art displays at Telford, we had no problems with Airfix for displaying the orginal box art images alongside the dioramas we made to reproduce them... in fact they took the models away to Margate on loan to display them in their Visitor Centre for a while...

 

best,

M.

 

 

 

[mark.au]

7 hours ago, 2996 Victor said:

Hi Mark,

 

I'm up for this - please tag me onto the list! Not sure what I'd go for but @Mjwomack's post above has got me thinking along similar (railway!) lines.

 

Cheers,

Mark

Welcome!  I like the idea of a bunch of railroad models, it would add so much variety.

 

6 hours ago, ckw said:

Hate to put a damper on this, but are you not risking copyright issues with regards to re-publishing the original photo? There may have to be some provisos regarding this. 

 

Cheers

 

Colin

 

There are literally tens or hundreds of thousands (millions, even) of photos already in the public domain to choose from.  I’m sure the collective wisdom can follow the rules already clearly established and well policed by our excellent moderators and we will somehow manage.  The sky’s not falling just yet.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 11, 2024 by mark.au
A shocking number of typos

[ckw]

12 hours ago, mark.au said:

There are literally tens or hundreds of thousands (millions, even) of photos already in the public domain to choose from.

 

This is the sort of statement that worries me. Yes there are pictures in the public domain, but not as many as you might think. For something to be in the public domain requires the copyright holder to actively make it so and relinquish their rights. For example, Wikipedia photos are explicitly in the public domain as this is a condition of adding them but images added to Pinterest, Instagram, Facebook etc. are not in the public domain. A lot of people don't realise that every photo ever taken automatically becomes the copyright property of the photographer unless that photographer reassigns the copyright or makes the work public domain. Since most people don't have a clue about copyright, the default copyright status applies to probably 90% of the photos on the net. Also given that copyright persists for 70 years ( in the UK) after the death of the creator, there are not that many pictures that come into the public domain due to age.

 

14 hours ago, cmatthewbacon said:

I think if you incorporate the picture in the display of something that's predominantly your own work of "art" then it comes under the fair use heading of being "transformative":

This is true, but obviously a matter for interpretation. The examples you show are probably OK as a) the intent is to display the model b) it is for non-commercial purposes. But if you were to use it as, say an ad for the model or a shop, I think you could be in trouble. 

 

Bottom line is ... be careful. Many people don't care one way or another, but others - e.g. Airliners.net - are quite protective of their intellectual property. 

 

Cheers

 

Colin

[mark.au]

14 hours ago, mark.au said:

I’m sure the collective wisdom can follow the rules already clearly established and well policed by our excellent moderators and we will somehow manage.  The sky’s not falling just yet.

 

[Robert Stuart]

17 hours ago, mark.au said:

There are literally tens or hundreds of thousands (millions, even) of photos already in the public domain to choose from.

Not volunteering for the build, but, would a link to the web page with source photo avoid any copyright issue?

[ckw]

2 hours ago, Robert Stuart said:

would a link to the web page with source photo avoid any copyright issue?

Yes, to date linking is absolutely fine unless it somehow by-passes any paywall or other access restrictions.

 

Cheers

 

Colin

[mark.au]

On 12/03/2024 at 07:05, mark.au said:

I’m sure the collective wisdom can follow the rules already clearly established and well policed by our excellent moderators and we will somehow manage.  The sky’s *still* not falling just yet.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2024 by mark.au
Emphasis for those who are "worried"

[Adrian Hills]

Might I suggest also making a model look like the depiction on the box art. Have just completed an Airfix Wellington and near completion of Airfix Dornier 17 and Grumman Duck - all inspired by Roy Cross box art. 

 

Or how about a purple Rufe. As depicted on the, I think, Jo Han box art. Did that years ago

[wellzy]

Lot of pictures  of  8th  AAF  P51s please add my name  ,thanks  wellzy,

[Armor Novice]

Beyond my skills set yet