P-47M , 56.FG, 61.FS. HV-Z , Snr.: 421108 |1:48, basic kit: P-47D Hasegawa 09564

[BOBO]

I have had a Hasegawa kit lying around for a long time from a hobby clearance and with this identification it was of no interest to me, but the parts in the kit correspond to a P-47M version and the idea of the Polish exile pilots came to me.

 

Some books on the subject of Polish pilots in the RAF and USAF are in my reference library. There are a few pictures of the HV-Z and also many, sometimes incorrect graphics regarding the painting and the type characteristics. You have to take a closer look!

 

 

 

 

 

Best sources:
 

 

My additional accessories for building the model:

[BOBO]

Cutting out the wing sections was quick and easy, but adjusting the Eduard resin kit is very tricky. You have to sharpen the belt guide a lot in height. Otherwise the part doesn't fit at all! The edges have to be adjusted with Sheet, once again a set-up that apparently no one has properly tested before?

 

 

This is probably the best graphic, as well as the one from the Polish book, I have always liked the painting with Dark Sea Blue and not in black!
The canopy was also covered in this color in some places when it was painted because it was closed -> see above.

 

I couldn't sleep anymore at 3:00 a.m., so I continued building my model and ran into a problem regarding Hasegawa and Eduard:

 

 

[BOBO]

If you're not willing, I'll need force!

 

 

After some drying time, the first surface problems appeared. I thought I could get by without a spatula, but unfortunately not!
And the underside should be in aluminum color, because you can see every trace of putty... Germ: "Window paste!" English: Bullshit

 

[BOBO]

Since I now have time FOR ME, I'm not allowed to walk too much, I'm moving forward with the models step by step.
The P-47 received its underside paint today from ModelMaster SILVER and Steel - this resulted in a great color tint for the P-47M's clear aluminum paint

 

 

[Troy Smith]

1 minute ago, BOBO said:

This is probably the best graphic, as well as the one from the Polish book, I have always liked the painting with Dark Sea Blue and not in black!

Best guess is they were painted in Night,  not dark sea blue.  Oft debated.  Profiles are just pretty pictures

this is a period colour pic.

 

long thread here

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/krys-lanowski-on-fb-group-says-61st-fs-p-47m-s-wer-t541884.html

 

@lampie  did a lot of research

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942075-p-47-color-question/page/2/#elControls_1425477_menu

 

"

I recently obtained some more microfilm relating to the 56th and the 61st FS in particular.
The first P-47M's arrived at Boxted on January 19th. 25 aircraft. 61st FS Engineering report for that month tells how all "In four days all the planes were painted and acceptance checks accomplished" with the hanger turning into an "assembly line overnight".

Primary source evidence there that the aircraft were painted in the Service Group hanger over a four day period in January 1945. This is further reinforced by entries in the 33rd Service group 41st Service Squadron monthly reports on the relevent microfilm stating that the imediate actions required on the new P-47M's were undertaken over a 2 day period.( 645 man hours)

February's 61st FS engineering report is even more specific, as it talks about our "black" P-47'Ms.

Of course, it doesn't identify the exact paint used. but what it doesn't say is our "plum" P-47M's,, our "midnight blue" P-47M's, our "P-47M's painted to match a dinner jacket lining", our P-47M's painted with whatever paint we could obtain from a local car dealers" etc etc.

An interesting document relating to painting Spitfires emerged recently ( new to me anyway), specifying the paint colours to be used. ( The relevence being that its often reported that the 56th used RAF colours on their aircraft).
For the stencils, wing walk lines etc that nobody would consider being painted anything else other than "black", the colour specified is "night".
This further reinforces my theory that "night" was the actual colour used on the "black" P-47M's.

Food for thought..

Nige

http://56thfightergroup.co.uk/

Edited October 8, 2013 by lampie"

 

and

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942075-p-47-color-question/page/3/#elControls_1426842_menu

 

HTH

 

[BOBO]

Thank you for your feedback signal! The color Night consists of approximately 80% black and 20% dark blue and was mainly used as anti-glare protection on Japanese fighter aircraft. That's why this color shimmers with a blue cast. Extra Dark Sea Blue from HATAKA is very close to this color. In my opinion, the Orange series from HATAKA is ideal for this, the color Night from Hataka is too dark for this in 1:48, I have already tested it.

I know the discussions about midnight blue, plum blue and soon. That's why I ordered some interesting books. My book shipment with “Zemkes Wolfpack” and “56 FG” got lost for inexplicable reasons.

 

Let's wait and see the result, maybe I can find a better solution?

[Troy Smith]

19 minutes ago, BOBO said:

The color Night consists of approximately 80% black and 20% dark blue and was mainly used as anti-glare protection on Japanese fighter aircraft.

No, while Japanese used a similar colour for cowlings,  Night was a MAP(Ministry of Aircraft Production)   standard British black colour used, from pre war with Night/White undersides to the main colour used by RAF bombers, as well as serial and stencilling.

 

There were other blacks used,  but the most used was Night.   This is the official paint name, hence the capitalisation.

 

Despite having being a mix of carbon black and ultramarine,  it really looks black.  

In really bright daylight you can see a blueness.   In model terms, black, though something like Tamiya XF-85 rubber black may work.

 

Try some model black and add 20% ultramarine,  you won't see the ultramarine unless compared to black in bright sunlight.  

 

HTH

 

[BOBO]

This is now MY mixed color with extra dark sea blue and oxford blue (1:1) from firm HATAKA (Poland) Orange series.
I have make a test on my P-47M model.

 

 

[J.P.]

Looking good. I like the more blue look to the color.

[2996 Victor]

Following with interest - I'm on a bit of a P-47 roll so I'd like to see how the Hasegawa kit builds.

 

Cheers, 

Mark 

[BOBO]

Well, this is now my color mix from dark sea blue and oxford blue:

 

 

 

[BOBO]

The paint is finished, the canopy is still there without it, the propeller is already painted, the additional tanks are finished,
Up to this point, my gut feeling is that everything about the color is ok. The first semi-gloss varnish layer is still missing, then everything has to take longer to harden.

 

 

[J.P.]

I like it.   👍

[BOBO]

Yesterday my model was sealed with a thin layer of clear varnish. Now it has to harden!

In comparison Bf 108 and P-47M

[2996 Victor]

Fantastic progress on the 'M'! Looking forward to your next update. Also, what's the story on the Taifun?

 

Cheers,

Mark

[BOBO]

So here is my fiddly work, just finished, not completely dry yet. Anyone who uses Techmod's decals should be told:

•      Place the decals individually in the water.
•      These roll up immediately.
•      Wait until they start to smooth out again,
•      then let it soften further outside!!

MicroSol whether red or blue, or Reveldecalsoft only helps a little, if not at all. I used white cold glue, which cannot be removed later with water. I had to remove the coat of arms on the hood because of the curvatures

 

 

 

[BOBO]

Very nice template!

 

 

The outside circele of USAF-Star ist not in blue!

[BOBO]

I have to do some work here

 

 

 

 

[BOBO]

If I'm working on multiple projects, I just wait until the paint, glue or filler has hardened.
This is where it continues today. The canopies are completely colored, the model now stands on its own feet - so it has to stand for a long time until everything has hardened - the propeller is completely prepared, the yellow spires are still missing.

The P-47D/M is already huge, I have already stood next to this giant in Telford (UK). A former JG300 pilot (Fw 190A) told me after he got into a P-47D in Rechlin how big the interior was. His comment:
"When we fired at such P-47Ds, the US pilot was able to take cover in the cabin"

 

 

 

[Mycapt65]

On 2/5/2024 at 7:45 AM, BOBO said:

If you're not willing, I'll need force!

 

 

After some drying time, the first surface problems appeared. I thought I could get by without a spatula, but unfortunately not!
And the underside should be in aluminum color, because you can see every trace of putty... Germ: "Window paste!" English: Bullshit

 

Too late now but for future builds, shimming the rear of the wing down with 0.05-0.010" plastic card will bring the wing and it's scribed details in line and make life a lot easier. So will gluing the upper wing to the fuselage halves before adding the lower wing. I built a couple of these. Like most Hasegawa kits of the era, they're pretty decent but have some niggles that require a lot of dry fitting before taking to glue. 

 

Great job so far. I love the information shared here as I was considering building a similar Tamiya M. 

Be well 

Ron. 

[BOBO]

 

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