Trumpeter Roma vs Vittorio Veneto

[Tegethoff]

Does anyone know what parts changed in the Trumpeter 1/350 Roma (or Littorio) vs Vittorio Veneto? I.e. would buying an upgrade kit of Mk1 or Shipyard models for Roma /Littorio broadly work for Vittorio Veneto? 

 

Thanks!

[EwenS]

7 hours ago, Tegethoff said:

Does anyone know what parts changed in the Trumpeter 1/350 Roma (or Littorio) vs Vittorio Veneto? I.e. would buying an upgrade kit of Mk1 or Shipyard models for Roma /Littorio broadly work for Vittorio Veneto? 

 

Thanks!

Roma was built with a different main deck hull line leading to a higher bow for improved sea keeping than Littorio or VV.

 

Roma

https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2016/03/02/warship-wednesday-march-2-2016-fritz-and-the-short-career-of-an-italian-battlewagon/battleship-roma-corazzata-roma-italian-navy-3/

 

Littorio

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vittorio_Veneto_and_Littorio._La_Spezia,_March_1943.jpg

 

[S-boat 55]

Depending on the year the three ships had quite different decks around the rear of the forward superstructure and other changes to some deck houses, I'd expect most of it would be useable, I have the littorio kit which I'll soon be starting, if any photos of kit bits or instruments would be useful let me know, 

[S-boat 55]

Sorry I mean instructions 

[Tegethoff]

1 hour ago, S-boat 55 said:

Sorry I mean instructions 

Thanks: looking at the online paint instructions I think you are right the Roma has flat main bridge windows, and the VV and Littorio have sloping inwards windows. In addition to the slightly raised bow of Roma - thanks for spotting Ewan. 

 

Roma:

 

VV - not greatest resolution but if you google "Vttorio Veneto 1:350 Trumpeter pfmrc.eu" you will see a fully constructed model side on (Polish) making the distinction clearer than below:

 

So looks like most PE sets I can see - which are all for Roma - should have at least some cross over to VV (and Littorio?). Just got to decide between Shipyard, Flyhawk and Mk1. Shipyard having full brass masts looks like it could be good. Flyhawk being least expensive and, Mk1 being good for the Fuso but probably less photo etch overall. Frustratingly none of them will have the sloping window/main deck shape, so will need to drill out each of the windows individually... Unless you can 3D print them? 

 

[S-boat 55]

4 hours ago, Tegethoff said:

Thanks: looking at the online paint instructions I think you are right the Roma has flat main bridge windows, and the VV and Littorio have sloping inwards windows. In addition to the slightly raised bow of Roma - thanks for spotting Ewan. 

 

Roma:

 

VV - not greatest resolution but if you google "Vttorio Veneto 1:350 Trumpeter pfmrc.eu" you will see a fully constructed model side on (Polish) making the distinction clearer than below:

 

So looks like most PE sets I can see - which are all for Roma - should have at least some cross over to VV (and Littorio?). Just got to decide between Shipyard, Flyhawk and Mk1. Shipyard having full brass masts looks like it could be good. Flyhawk being least expensive and, Mk1 being good for the Fuso but probably less photo etch overall. Frustratingly none of them will have the sloping window/main deck shape, so will need to drill out each of the windows individually... Unless you can 3D print them? 

 

I had exactly the same quandary on the bridge windows, 

 

I have the Eduard photo etch set part two and three for Roma you can't find part one for love or money now because it's been discontinued

 

I did look at the flyhawk set as well but wasn't convinced, when I went through the kit instructions and the flyhawk instructions I found that because I had the eduard set it didn't give enough extra detail to warrant the cost of it, it's also worth bearing in mind that fly hawks AA guns are typically 2D and in my opinion that doesn't look great but to each their own,

 

I've not used a shipyard set if you happen to use one I'd be very curious as to what the quality is like I've seen some comment about their photo edits not fitting quite right with the kit but I think you find that with every upgrade set in certain places

 

 

[Tegethoff]

3 hours ago, S-boat 55 said:

I had exactly the same quandary on the bridge windows, 

 

I have the Eduard photo etch set part two and three for Roma you can't find part one for love or money now because it's been discontinued

 

I did look at the flyhawk set as well but wasn't convinced, when I went through the kit instructions and the flyhawk instructions I found that because I had the eduard set it didn't give enough extra detail to warrant the cost of it, it's also worth bearing in mind that fly hawks AA guns are typically 2D and in my opinion that doesn't look great but to each their own,

 

I've not used a shipyard set if you happen to use one I'd be very curious as to what the quality is like I've seen some comment about their photo edits not fitting quite right with the kit but I think you find that with every upgrade set in certain places

 

 

Someone should make a 3D printed piece to supplement the flyhawk/shipyard/mk1 kit!

 

I guess Micrometer do some really nice guns, propellers, vents etc but looking at the cost I'm close to 150+Euro ex shipping for it all. I didn't realise how many secondaries it had. And that would still need PE for rangefinders. hmmmpth.

 

It will be a bit of time I still need to build the much smaller HMS Loyal, and maybe the Kongo, but planning could take some time.    

 

 

[S-boat 55]

1 hour ago, Tegethoff said:

Someone should make a 3D printed piece to supplement the flyhawk/shipyard/mk1 kit!

 

I guess Micrometer do some really nice guns, propellers, vents etc but looking at the cost I'm close to 150+Euro ex shipping for it all. I didn't realise how many secondaries it had. And that would still need PE for rangefinders. hmmmpth.

 

It will be a bit of time I still need to build the much smaller HMS Loyal, and maybe the Kongo, but planning could take some time.    

 

 

I think it's worth keeping in mind the basic kit is actually pretty good, I've admittedly only put the hull together but the nightmare join people talk about really isn't bad at all, and the parts on the sprues look pretty good, so I took the view pe is an extra on some of it rather than a necessity 

[Mr. Church]

Vittorio Veneto kit part photos here:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10717414

 

And Roma here:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10147610

 

Curiously Trumpeter list their Vittorio Veneto as being from 1940 but the box art is unmistakably her 1942 camouflage scheme and fit out. She gained some extra AA weapons and platforms and radar and changed camouflage schemes a couple of times during the war. and during her various periods in repair. Having been torpedoed on two separate occasions in 1941. 

 

The Roma kit is her 1943 as completed and as sunk fit. 

 

Roma had a modified bow with increased sheer and flare. Due to the earlier two sisters being found to ship to much water underway. She also had differences in superstructure platforms.

 

This book explains in detail all the differences and modifications:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Littorio-Class-Hardback/p/3107

 

To answer your original question I'd say the upgrade set would broadly work. Depends what exact configuration you intend to build Vittorio Veneto in.

 

 

[Tegethoff]

22 hours ago, Mr. Church said:

Vittorio Veneto kit part photos here:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10717414

 

And Roma here:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10147610

 

Curiously Trumpeter list their Vittorio Veneto as being from 1940 but the box art is unmistakably her 1942 camouflage scheme and fit out. She gained some extra AA weapons and platforms and radar and changed camouflage schemes a couple of times during the war. and during her various periods in repair. Having been torpedoed on two separate occasions in 1941. 

 

The Roma kit is her 1943 as completed and as sunk fit. 

 

Roma had a modified bow with increased sheer and flare. Due to the earlier two sisters being found to ship to much water underway. She also had differences in superstructure platforms.

 

This book explains in detail all the differences and modifications:

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Littorio-Class-Hardback/p/3107

 

To answer your original question I'd say the upgrade set would broadly work. Depends what exact configuration you intend to build Vittorio Veneto in.

 

 

thank you - that is incredibly helpful - especially the kit photos. 

[Tegethoff]

On 24/11/2023 at 16:59, S-boat 55 said:

I had exactly the same quandary on the bridge windows, 

 

I have the Eduard photo etch set part two and three for Roma you can't find part one for love or money now because it's been discontinued

 

I did look at the flyhawk set as well but wasn't convinced, when I went through the kit instructions and the flyhawk instructions I found that because I had the eduard set it didn't give enough extra detail to warrant the cost of it, it's also worth bearing in mind that fly hawks AA guns are typically 2D and in my opinion that doesn't look great but to each their own,

 

I've not used a shipyard set if you happen to use one I'd be very curious as to what the quality is like I've seen some comment about their photo edits not fitting quite right with the kit but I think you find that with every upgrade set in certain places

 

 

There is now a Vittorio Veneto version apparently available on some American owned online auction sites. Will probably order it for when Kongo is done (so next decade maybe):

Shipyard 1/350 S350010 Upgrade Parts for Trumpeter Italian Vittorio Veneto

 

 

[S-boat 55]

20 minutes ago, Tegethoff said:

There is now a Vittorio Veneto version apparently available on some American owned online auction sites. Will probably order it for when Kongo is done (so next decade maybe):

Shipyard 1/350 S350010 Upgrade Parts for Trumpeter Italian Vittorio Veneto

 

 

Interesting......happen to know if there's one for Littorio?

[Robertone139]

Still looking for a set to rectify Roma's fo'castle deck's non skid plates that Trumpeter cast in reverse relief.

[Mr. Church]

On 02/04/2024 at 22:28, Tegethoff said:

There is now a Vittorio Veneto version apparently available on some American owned online auction sites. Will probably order it for when Kongo is done (so next decade maybe):

Shipyard 1/350 S350010 Upgrade Parts for Trumpeter Italian Vittorio Veneto

 

 

 

 

That looks class. And only tempts me to buy another Littorio Class.

[Tegethoff]

So just after I start one battleship this arrives in the mail:

 

9 smaller sprues of photo etch, 3 boxes of 3D printed parts (blast bags, vents etc) and assorted barrels and masts in brass. Will be done after SMS Szent Istvan and Warspite probably. Any questions or photos wanted let me know. 

 

[S-boat 55]

50 minutes ago, Tegethoff said:

So just after I start one battleship this arrives in the mail:

 

9 smaller sprues of photo etch, 3 boxes of 3D printed parts (blast bags, vents etc) and assorted barrels and masts in brass. Will be done after SMS Szent Istvan and Warspite probably. Any questions or photos wanted let me know. 

 

Is that the shipyard set? I'd so I've been very interested in seeing some shots of the sprues and instructions if possible?

 

Thanks

 

Sam

[Tegethoff]

2 hours ago, S-boat 55 said:

Is that the shipyard set? I'd so I've been very interested in seeing some shots of the sprues and instructions if possible?

 

Thanks

 

Sam

Sure:

Two big double sided pages of instructions. No explanation on anything provided Wooden rear deck and masking pages for scale :

and 5 of the nine photo etch sheets. They look well made with bend points but probably slightly on the fragile side vs Eduard/Pontos. If you want a closer photo say:

 

 

[S-boat 55]

That's great thanks, I've been toying with getting on if their upgrade sets but can't find any kind of review of them, the instructions look very similar to flyhawks, I'll look forward to your build when you get to her, Littorio is next on my list when my current two are finished,