Hawker Hurricane 90th anniversary STGB Chat

[JOCKNEY]

13 minutes ago, Wings unlevel said:

Hey Pat, I’d say they share enough in common to include as part of the GB. Does this mean you have something obscure in the stash that could make an appearance?! 🤣

Gerard

 

Well as it happens, having built a Henley previously it would be just plain rude not to build a Hotspur, so please add me to the list. 

 

Cheers Pat 

 

 

 

[Wings unlevel]

11 hours ago, JOCKNEY said:

would be just plain rude not to build a Hotspur, so please add me to the list. 

I am excited to see it already, Pat!

[jovapad]

I am sure I have one in stash, so count me in.

[Wings unlevel]

13 hours ago, jovapad said:

I am sure I have one in stash, so count me in.

No stash should be without one! Welcome to the list.

[Tim R-T-C]

Oh go on, lets take spot 30 😁

 

I've got 8 in the stash, all the lovely Sweet boxings, although six of these are the Fabric Wing version which I really need to research more into possible schemes... 🤔

[mackem01]

Be a fool not to sign up for this one.

[Wings unlevel]

14 hours ago, Tim R-T-C said:

Oh go on, lets take spot 30 😁

 

I've got 8 in the stash, all the lovely Sweet boxings, although six of these are the Fabric Wing version which I really need to research more into possible schemes... 🤔

Sweet! All eight will be welcome additions to the GB gallery! 🤭

 

2 hours ago, mackem01 said:

Be a fool not to sign up for this one.

No fools here! 😎 Thanks for enlisting.

Edited January 13, 2024 by Wings unlevel

[Bertie McBoatface]

On 11/12/2023 at 09:22, Wings unlevel said:

Welcome aboard, Bertie, I’m excited to see what beauty you’ll build.

I’m confident that this will run so tonight I ordered an Airfix rag wing Mk.1. I’d like it to be one of the later aircraft in my interwar collection. 
 

Does anyone know whether any were delivered to the RAF in the old silver dope or were they all camouflaged?

 

I know about the prototype and that is an option for me. 
 

@Graham Boak, are you listening? 😃

[Wings unlevel]

9 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said:

I’m confident that this will run so tonight I ordered an Airfix rag wing Mk.1. I’d like it to be one of the later aircraft in my interwar collection. 

Lovely! 
 

Speaking of getting a run, @Enzo the Magnificent, the Hurricane STGB is ready to do its duty in the Battle of the Bunfight. 🌪️🌪️

[Troy Smith]

2 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said:

Does anyone know whether any were delivered to the RAF in the old silver dope or were they all camouflaged?

All camouflaged.

see

https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Camouflage-Markings/Hawker-Hurricane

the only overall Aluminium dope in WW2 were some from the RATG, Rhodesian Air Training Group, at that is 44-45. 

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234950889-hurricanes-of-the-ratg/

2 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said:

 

I know about the prototype and that is an option for me. 

It isn't if you are in anyway interested in accuracy.  In detail very different. 

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235061223-hurricane-prototype-in-148th-where-do-i-start/

the wing sweep is still being debated.

You could just not bother,  and paint it as the prototype,  depends how bothered you are.     I see plenty of Hurricane models that make me wince.   

Final point,  about the best place for detailed Hurricane modelling information is here.   

There is a lot of misinformation or lack of detail, and this is continually recycled.

The most recent example being the style over content Valiant Wings Airframe and Miniature 2020 book.  Deeply flawed.

 

The best recent Hurricane book for the modeller is the Wingleader Photo Archive, but only covers the Mk.I

 

 

 

And, yes, a Hurricane GB would be very good. 

15 hours ago, Tim R-T-C said:

Oh go on, lets take spot 30 😁

 

I've got 8 in the stash, all the lovely Sweet boxings, although six of these are the Fabric Wing version which I really need to research more into possible schemes... 🤔

Far more fabric schemes than you might at first think,  pre war RAF, numerous variation, Battle of France, BoB, including the 80 built by Hawker in summer 1940*, Training command, Belgian, Yugoslav, including licence built,  with a unique 3 tone uppers, 3 of which ended up in Romania Numbered 13-15**, and one captured and done in full Italian markings,  Finnish (a few), both in RAF and then Finnish camo  a few ended up in the middle east.  Getting decals may prove trickier though.

 

The Sweets kit comes with several of these though not sure if they get all the details right.  

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/sweet-14102-hawker-hurricane-mki--161459

 

* looking at the Sweet kit, it has 4 spoke wheel hubs,  depends on how picky you are,  though

 

** the Sweet decals show Romanian 3,  which was metal winged.   

 

HTH

[Troy Smith]

On 22/11/2023 at 14:03, Fatcawthorne said:

It's all Hurri up and wait (until 2025) again. Those of the British green-skin persuasion will identify!!

 

I'd love to do a Rag Wing with you in 1/48. Got a choice between Classic Airframes and a Hasegawa with an MDC conversion.  I'm sure it will be the conversion as I never seem to take the path of least resistance!

Hmm, depending on your fuss level....  and if you are not fussed you may wish to skip this......

 

The problem is this.  a Mk.I Hurricane can have a lot of variations in detail. 

fabric or metal wing, if fabric, early have a inner fabric panel, early windscreen, without armour, and with, which is sits deeper on fuselage and has a curved lower edge and then a standard screen,  5 or 4 spoke wheels,  very early Mk.Is have no fuselage strake, shorter rudder and retractable tail wheel, small doors at top of main UC doorsm a instrument venturi, one piece nose ring, ring and bead sight, kidney exhausts, being replaced by no venturi and 2 piece nose ring with bulges at 4 and 8 o'clock, 5 types of propeller and spinner,  added 2nd hatch,  added backplate armour, pole aerial being replaced with standard type, TR9D radio (with aerial wire) being replaced with TR1131 (no wire) adding IFF wires,  Trop Mk.I's getting trop vents below cockpit....   And some of these crop up in unexpected places.....

And they are all just a Hurricane Mk.I !!!  

And the only book that covers this is the Wingleader Photo Archive.  

 

So neither the CA kit or MDC conversion  really make what they claim to make, which make a fabric wing Hurricane in what is usually considered as a fabric Hurricane, lacking various specific details, 5 spoke wheels, early windscreen, lack of 2nd hatch in starboard side being the main ones....  as I said above, complex in detail.

Ironically they do allow this, which was not their intention

 

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235005804-hurricane-p3886-uniqe-fabric-wing/page/2/#elControls_3735801_menu

 

Which are standard mid/late Mk.Is but with fabric wings, which are easier to do.   And so far I have yet to see one done,  though YB-F is on a DK Decals sheet now.  Other can be done with existing decals and some mix and match.

 

I'm not a fan of the MDC set,  the one I have has a really thick trailing edge, and it look to be tricky to do without making a mess, new wing join strips would have helped. As it stand you need to cut the kit wing with damaging these, and add in a resin lump and get it to blend in neatly.    I'm not saying ti can't be done, just it's badly designed.

And, they really didn't know what features they needed to cover.   What the provide implies a very early Mk.I

"This conversion set includes parts to make the early variants.

Using all parts will give the first production aircraft.

Using combinations of the parts will give aircraft up to and including those involved in the fall of France 2 wings 1 Watts propellor

2 kidney exhausts 1 windscreen (clear resin, just visible)

1 rear fuselage strengthening plate

1 ring and bead sight"

 

What is missing

5 spoke wheels

no mention of starboard hatch

no venturi, and lack of bulges on nose ring.

small doors at top of UC main doors.

 

 

 

The Hase kit does need a few tweaks as well.   Ask if you want details, most are simple.    I'm waiting to see if Arma are going to delve into the complex world of the early Mk.I Hurricane in 1/48th.

 

I hope of interest/use

 

 

 

 

[Tim R-T-C]

7 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

Far more fabric schemes than you might at first think,  pre war RAF, numerous variation, Battle of France, BoB, including the 80 built by Hawker in summer 1940*,

 

Thanks for the info. I think my level of detail would go as far as accurate decals and wing type - but might hold at the wheel spokes, which on an aircraft permanently affixed to a diorama base, will be all but invisible anyway.

 

I have some aftermarket decals for a couple of Jugoslavian types, the rest may have to be cobbled together from spares as last time I used some of the Sweet decals from this over-20 year old boxing, they didn't do well.

 

Many thanks.

[Bertie McBoatface]

8 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

All camouflaged

thank you Troy.  And thanks for the links etc.You are very helpful. 👍

[silverfox63]

This could be very silly and might not get finished but I could be tempted with a MPC (Airfix) 1/24 kit.

Cheers,

Chris.

[JosephLalor]

Please add me to the list.  I've a fair number of 1/72 Airfix and Arma Hurricanes, enough to build one or two in the meantime and keep some for the GB.  I'm also minded to do my 1/200 metal kit of the Henley for the inspiration gallery.

[Wings unlevel]

7 hours ago, silverfox63 said:

This could be very silly and might not get finished but I could be tempted with a MPC (Airfix) 1/24 kit.

Cheers,

Chris.

If not now (well, some point in 2025, hopefully, if/when this GB gets a slot), when? 🤣

 

7 hours ago, JosephLalor said:

I've a fair number of 1/72 Airfix and Arma Hurricanes, enough to build one or two in the meantime and keep some for the GB. 

Welcome! Would be interesting to see how the Arma and Airfix kits compare.

[silverfox63]

3 hours ago, Wings unlevel said:

If not now (well, some point in 2025, hopefully, if/when this GB gets a slot), when? 🤣

 

Welcome! Would be interesting to see how the Arma and Airfix kits compare.

Well, the answer to that question is sometime between now and never, given the size of the Stash.🤯

[wimbledon99]

Hi Gerard,

 

Please add me to the list for this one

 

Cheers

 

Nigel

[Wings unlevel]

2 hours ago, wimbledon99 said:

Please add me to the list for this one

Great to have you onboard, Nigel, welcome to the hopefully not too few!

[ModelingEdmontonian]

On 1/13/2024 at 4:08 PM, Bertie McBoatface said:

Does anyone know whether any were delivered to the RAF in the old silver dope or were they all camouflaged?

Could consider G-AFKX. Not RAF at that point, but a pretty cool fabric wing option!

[ModelingEdmontonian]

On 1/13/2024 at 4:51 PM, Troy Smith said:

Yugoslav

Lift Here did a 1/144 decal set that includes a few Hurricane options.

 

It's a shame the Sweet kit screwed up on the Romanian markings given that there were the three fabric winged. The Belgian markings are nice though.

 

The Italian Hurricane had basic markings, so probably could be easy enough to find a 1/144 decal sheet that would work.

 

[Wings unlevel]

3 hours ago, ModelingEdmontonian said:

Could consider G-AFKX. Not RAF at that point, but a pretty cool fabric wing option!

Hope so, that looks such a pretty machine.

[Troy Smith]

On 21/01/2024 at 21:08, Wings unlevel said:

Would be interesting to see how the Arma and Airfix kits compare.

Depends* which Airfix kit, the only one comparable to the Arma kit is the fabric winged,  which Arma do not do.   The Arma Mk.I  is a bit better than the Airfix Mk.I but is trickier to build.

 

*Airfix have done various Hurricane kits in 1/72, 1957 Mk.IV, 1973 Mk.I/IIB, 1978 Mk.I, a rebox of the Heller IIC in the 90's,  as part of a BBMF set, and a new tool IIC around 2010, which is a classic of trusting bad drawings,  and then the fabric wing Mk.I.

 

HTH

[JTninja]

I'm in and will vote for this one, got one of the Arma/Eduard kits in the stash begging to be build.

 

 

I've never built a Hurricane before 😬

 

 

[Wings unlevel]

On 02/03/2024 at 10:50, JTninja said:

I’ve never built a Hurricane before 😬

Me neither. 🤫🤭