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As it’s been pointed out that there’s a shortage of AFV STGB proposals I thought I’d table this one.

 

So the first proposal is the Panzer VI Tiger I,  II and ( really stretching definitions here) Ferdinand and Elefant   and any derivatives in any scale, which afaik would be the Sturmtiger and bergetiger and at a pinch the two prototype.

 

1. me

2. @MARADER

3. @Muchmirth

4. @Stef N.

5. @Trevor L

6. @Corsairfoxfouruncle

7. @Mig Eater

8. @FalkeEins

9. @Retired Bob

10. @stevehnz

11. @Longbow

12. @sardaukar

13. @Jasper dog

14. @ColonelKrypton

15. @Mjwomack

16. @mbthejester

17. @SimonT
18. @Angus Tura

19. @TommyW

20. @Keeff

21. @JOCKNEY

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11 hours ago, Marklo said:

A question for @Enzo the Magnificent if we were to include the tiger ll and jadgtiger would it still be an STGB?

 

Personally I would have said no.  My understanding is that, despite the name, the Tiger II had more in common with the Panther than the Tiger I.  However, we have to take into account previous practice.   The previous Tiger STGB (in 2019) accepted the variants in the list below, so I would be inclined to follow precedence.

 

Variant:   VK 36.01( Henschel prototype)

               VK 45.01 (Porsche prototype)

               VK 45.02 (2nd Porsche prototype)

               Tiger I, initial, early, mid, late. Either fighting or support variants.

               Tiger II, Either fighting or support variants.

                Sturmtiger

                Jagtiger all variants.

                Ferdinand ( built off the VK 45.02 hull)

                Elefant ( built off the VK 45.02 hull)

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34 minutes ago, Muchmirth said:

@Stef N., @echen and @Longbow are usually up for bit of tiger tiger action!! 

@Muchmirth Ta for the invite but I'm up to my ears with part builds that I really want to prgress. I've got a late Revell Tiger in the stash but I think it's going to stay there til I catch up a bit.

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1 hour ago, echen said:

I've got a late Revell Tiger in the stash but I think it's going to stay there til I catch up a bit.

Well you would have at least six months if we were to get enough signups and get through the bunfight…

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@Marklo

 

Arado AR196

Mitsubishi Zero

88mm-Gun-Tractor

Opel Blitz + PAK 40, 75 mm Anti Tank Gun.

AEC Matador & 5.5' Gun 

Churchill Tank

M19 Diamond T Tank Transporter

Bedford QLT v1

Bedford QLD v1

Bren Gun Carrier and 6PDR Anti-Tank Gun

Sherman M4

Sherman M4 

Sherman M4 VC Firefly

Halftrack M5

Halftrack SD Kfz 251 

Gmc Cckw 353 Truck

1/72 Resin Stowage

Sherman

SU 152

Italian Farmhouse

M26 Pershing

SD Kfz 9 Famo Late Version

Pz Kpfw VI King Tiger (Production Turret)

Pz Kpfw VI  Tiger Ausf. H

T34/85

T34/85

SU100

 Bofors 40mm AA Gun

CMP Quad and 25 pdr

CMP Quad and 17 pdr Pheasant

Pz Kpfw III Ausf.L

Sd.kfz.173 Jagdpanther Early Production

 US M26 Tank Transporter Dragon Wagon

Sd.kfz.162 Jagdpanzer IV L/48 Early Version

Scammel Pioneer R 100 Artillery Tractor

PzKpfw VI ‘Tiger’ I Ausf. E (Late)

6 Inch Mk XIX Cannon

Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf J

Cromwell Mk.IV

Panzerhaubitz 2000

T-90

Cromwell Mk.IV

 

Having completed 3 builds (Jagdpanther, Late Panther and a T-80BV) in 7 years I suspect that 6 months might not be quite enough.

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I still haven't finished my build from the last Tiger GB 😅 Well this could give me the chance to redeem myself with a new build.

I made this diagram showing the development history of the Tiger & its variants for the last GB.

tiger_dev.png

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14 hours ago, echen said:

@Marklo

 

Arado AR196

Mitsubishi Zero

88mm-Gun-Tractor

Opel Blitz + PAK 40, 75 mm Anti Tank Gun.

AEC Matador & 5.5' Gun 

Churchill Tank

M19 Diamond T Tank Transporter

Bedford QLT v1

Bedford QLD v1

Bren Gun Carrier and 6PDR Anti-Tank Gun

Sherman M4

Sherman M4 

Sherman M4 VC Firefly

Halftrack M5

Halftrack SD Kfz 251 

Gmc Cckw 353 Truck

1/72 Resin Stowage

Sherman

SU 152

Italian Farmhouse

M26 Pershing

SD Kfz 9 Famo Late Version

Pz Kpfw VI King Tiger (Production Turret)

Pz Kpfw VI  Tiger Ausf. H

T34/85

T34/85

SU100

 Bofors 40mm AA Gun

CMP Quad and 25 pdr

CMP Quad and 17 pdr Pheasant

Pz Kpfw III Ausf.L

Sd.kfz.173 Jagdpanther Early Production

 US M26 Tank Transporter Dragon Wagon

Sd.kfz.162 Jagdpanzer IV L/48 Early Version

Scammel Pioneer R 100 Artillery Tractor

PzKpfw VI ‘Tiger’ I Ausf. E (Late)

6 Inch Mk XIX Cannon

Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf J

Cromwell Mk.IV

Panzerhaubitz 2000

T-90

Cromwell Mk.IV

 

Having completed 3 builds (Jagdpanther, Late Panther and a T-80BV) in 7 years I suspect that 6 months might not be quite enough.

That’s my shopping list… how’s you get ahold of that!!

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@Muchmirth

1 hour ago, Muchmirth said:

That’s my shopping list… how’s you get ahold of that!!

The result of 7 years on-line looking for Braille Scale rarities, cheapies and bargains.

It's just that, when I get them, I start them but keep getting distracted or stuck.........................

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Let’s see, that’s about forty small scale AFVs so depending on the kit about four hours assembly, so that’s about 160 hours. Group them my type/colour for painting, so let’s say 40  hours . Decals 20 hours, probably less as AFVs don’t tend to have that many markings. Then weather them all in one big batch another 40 hours. And say another 40 hours for any final work.

 

So that’s 300 hours. So if you give up non essentials like sleeping, washing, work, socialising, talking to your family. Lay in a decent stock of microwaveable meals and position your workbench near to the toilet. That’s only two weeks. 
 

There you go, can’t see any flaws in that plan.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Marklo said:

Let’s see, that’s about forty small scale AFVs so depending on the kit about four hours assembly, so that’s about 160 hours. Group them my type/colour for painting, so let’s say 40  hours . Decals 20 hours, probably less as AFVs don’t tend to have that many markings. Then weather them all in one big batch another 40 hours. And say another 40 hours for any final work.

 

So that’s 300 hours. So if you give up non essentials like sleeping, washing, work, socialising, talking to your family. Lay in a decent stock of microwaveable meals and position your workbench near to the toilet. That’s only two weeks. 
 

There you go, can’t see any flaws in that plan.

 

 

 

I like that plan… cut you hand off and replace with multi tool/scalpel/sander and mush all you food up so can be drawn through a straw?? Might work out.

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Sign me up, I have a some Dragon 'big cat and pachyderm' kits in the stash. :idea:  I could build the JagdTiger with Porsche suspension, either with or without the Atak zim that I have, might need some new tracks though, this original boxing has the track links on sprues. :hmmm:

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21 minutes ago, Retired Bob said:

Sign me up, I have a some Dragon 'big cat and pachyderm' kits in the stash.  

 

and me please. Fancy putting a 'Tunisian' machine on the shelf.  Seems crazy that some of the first Tigers went to North Africa.

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53 minutes ago, FalkeEins said:

 

and me please. Fancy putting a 'Tunisian' machine on the shelf.  Seems crazy that some of the first Tigers went to North Africa.

Me too please, with much the same thoughts as well. I bought an Airfix Tiger1 1/72 last weekend on a whim. :) but it has no zimmerit detail for the kit decals :( so I'm thinking a Tunisian Tiger might be a goer as they preceded zimmerit afaik.

Steve.

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1 hour ago, Retired Bob said:

Sign me up, I have a some Dragon 'big cat and pachyderm' kits in the stash. :idea:  I could build the JagdTiger with Porsche suspension, either with or without the Atak zim that I have, might need some new tracks though, this original boxing has the track links on sprues. :hmmm:

I have the Takom JT and zimmerit which has been lurking in the stash for too long. Or I would like to revisit a Ferdinand. My last one was OK but I could do better I feel. 

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2 hours ago, stevehnz said:

Me too please, with much the same thoughts as well. I bought an Airfix Tiger1 1/72 last weekend on a whim. :) but it has no zimmerit detail for the kit decals :( so I'm thinking a Tunisian Tiger might be a goer as they preceded zimmerit afaik.

You are correct Steve, the early Tiger tanks used at Kursk and in Tunisia were all pre-zimmerit.

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Went and retrieved the kit from the stash, just to refresh my memory of what's in the box.  I knew the track parts were on sprues so I had a look if I could get some 3D printed replacements.

New to me was that these Porsche suspensioned JagdTigers with the Gg24/800/300 tracks and 18 tooth sprockets had their tracks modified by the inner track guide tooth being cut off. :shrug:

IMG_2193

 

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The Porsche suspension used exterior mounted torsion bars which stuck out from the hull, so the inner track teeth needed to be removed to avoid the tracks hitting the suspension. Jagdtiger No.305003 was fitted with Kgs 64/640/130 tracks from the Elefant which solved this issue tho.

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9 hours ago, Mig Eater said:

The Porsche suspension used exterior mounted torsion bars which stuck out from the hull, so the inner track teeth needed to be removed to avoid the tracks hitting the suspension. Jagdtiger No.305003 was fitted with Kgs 64/640/130 tracks from the Elefant which solved this issue tho.

Thanks for that great photo showing the inside of the suspension units. :like:  I knew that the Porsche suspension had external spring units, during test running they could break off that's why they built most JagdTigers with the more complicated Henschel torsion bar suspension.  With only 4 Porsche suspensioned JagdTigers built, 2 with zim and 2 without, there's not much choice to build a model from.

I saw photos of the first Porsche JagdTiger running on Elephant tracks, which makes sense as they had similar external suspension units.  The only photo of a Porsche JagdTiger that I have in my books that was camouflaged and used in combat is #314 of sPz.Jg.Abt.653.  It does not have any zimm and has the kit type Gg24/800/300 tracks with the inner guide cut off.  That's where I'll be going with my build then.

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