Classic Airfix (Roy Cross memorial) GB Chat

[Pig of the Week]

I don't think I painted anything till I started doing tanks really...prob age 12 ish,

I remember "discovering" embryonic weathering, dry brushing silver on a previously daubed green Sherman, which I thought "hey, it looks just like metal" 😁

[CliffB]

11 hours ago, Pig of the Week said:

I don't think I painted anything till I started doing tanks really...prob age 12 ish,

I remember "discovering" embryonic weathering, dry brushing silver on a previously daubed green Sherman, which I thought "hey, it looks just like metal" 😁

 

I could have written this myself 

[Ratch]

On 04/06/2024 at 23:31, Black Knight said:

I bought the Coldstream Guardsman of 1815 but was disappointed to find he could only be built in a guarding position and not an action pose as depicted on the header card

My picture

 

 

The artwork is by Brian Knight or Willian (Bill) Stallion, not Roy's work.

[Ratch]

On 04/06/2024 at 23:47, Black Knight said:

How do the Airfix Railway kits fit in?

Most were once owned by Kitmaster then they were sold to Dapol

Does the kit have to be in an Airfix box?

That was illustrated by Charles Oates

[Ratch]

On 05/06/2024 at 06:02, CliffB said:

 

The kit doesn't have to be in an Airfix box. 

The criterion is simply that a version of the kit must have featured in an Airfix Catalogue up to, and including, 1980.

Later boxings, and boxings by others, are permissible.

I'll update the Rules to make this clear 👍

 

Cheers

Doesn't it have to have been illustrated by Roy at some time?

[Black Knight]

afaik Its primarily any pre-1980 Airfix kit but with a Rot Cross artwork being favoured

[Ratch]

Well if it doesn't matter whether it's Roy's or not, I'll stop checking.

[PeterB]

On 6/4/2024 at 12:57 PM, Ventora3300 said:

How about the small scale Golden Hind with the seascape base? If I saw one of them for sale, I would not be responsible for my actions! Not sure if any of the other small scale ships such as Revenge or Santa Maria also came with a sea base. My Dad built that Golden Hind and as a 10 year old, I remember marvelling at the white crests on the painted green waves! I remember looking for it at home years later but it was gone!

Not sure what if any logic there was behind it but most of the small ship kits were "waterline" with a sea base according to both my memory and illustrations in the Arthur Ward book on Airfix. Mayflower and Revenge had full hulls and a cradle type stand, Golden Hind(e), Victory, Shannon, Cutty Sark, Santa Maria had sea bases, and I don't know if the full hull Great Western actually had a base as there is no sign of one in the photo but there looks to be one in the pic of the bag on Scalemates. I did wonder if perhaps the ones on stands were maybe "bought in" from an earlier manufacturer as they don't fit the normal Airfix pattern but Scalemates say not. Whilst looking in the book, I noticed a publicity pic of a young lad in school uniform straining to reach over the edge of the counter in what I guess is Woolworths to pay for his kit. Seeing the bagged kits piled on top of each other in a messy heap brings back happy memories but also makes me wonder how on earth any of the ones I bought from such a display avoided having any broken parts after being manhandled by numerous sets of hot young hands. Not that the boxed kits fared much better as the sprues were loose inside and not bagged as I recall. The chap who was my normal postman back in the 1980's developed an unfortunate habit of shaking my parcels to see if they rattled as he was walking down the steps in my garden - I had to have a word with him about that. Poor sod retired with ill health after finding a young woman frozen to death outside her parents' house just before Christmas a few years later - she had been taking drugs and discharged herself from a clinic it seems, but had forgotten they had gone away on holiday - tragic! The weather, dogs and rude customers would be bad enough to make me glad I never was a postman but that sort of experience would give me the willies as they used to say.( or if you prefer, make me go "Doolally Tap" as my father would have said based on his experience in India during the war ).

 

Pete

Edited June 6 by PeterB

[PeterB]

On 6/5/2024 at 5:22 PM, TonyW said:

 

Unpainted kits can look just fine. The prop blades and tyres have seen a paintbrush, but the rest of this airliner is bare plastic

 

 

 

 Young builders back in the day would max out their pocket money on the kit size, the painting aspect came into it but wasn't a priority.

 

Years later Matchbox took things in hand for their customers and issued their kits in multi coloured plastic. 

 

 

As I recall I did the same with my bright yellow Auster Antarctic when it first came out. The old Airfix decs would stick like  to an army blanket as my late father would have said, and even survived for years on bare plastic. I do sometimes wonder just what exactly he got up to India during the war - or maybe it was all the curries they were force fed due to logistic problems.😆 Actually, although he never talked about it, I got hold of his Army record after he died and he spent his time servicing and repairing tanks, including in Burma..

 

P:ete

Edited June 6 by PeterB

[CliffB]

10 hours ago, Ratch said:

Well if it doesn't matter whether it's Roy's or not, I'll stop checking.

 

Hi @Ratch

It certainly does matter to the many of us who are trying to chose entries which feature Roy Cross box art. 

However, it is not a mandatory condition of entry to the Group Build.  First and foremost this is, and always has been, an Airfix Group Build.

I've tried my best to explain this in the Welcome and Rules thread.

I really hope that you'll continue to help with Roy Cross ID (it's much appreciated), but obviously it's your call.

 

Cheers

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

16 hours ago, Ratch said:

Doesn't it have to have been illustrated by Roy at some time?

Now I have two kits I believe are his artwork. The Henschel Hs.123 and the Ca.13 Boomerang re-issues. I also have a U-2, B-26 Marauder, Yak-9, and possibly more ? Problem being is they're all 2nd hand and were bagged. Would a photo of the original Roy Cross Box-art from scale-mates be acceptable in lieu of not having the original boxes ? 
 

Dennis

[Black Knight]

12 hours ago, Ratch said:

Well if it doesn't matter whether it's Roy's or not, I'll stop checking.

Don't take my word on it. I'm confused about it

[CliffB]

1 hour ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Now I have two kits I believe are his artwork. The Henschel Hs.123 and the Ca.13 Boomerang re-issues. I also have a U-2, B-26 Marauder, Yak-9, and possibly more ? Problem being is they're all 2nd hand and were bagged. Would a photo of the original Roy Cross Box-art from scale-mates be acceptable in lieu of not having the original boxes ? 
 

Dennis

 

28 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

Don't take my word on it. I'm confused about it

 

Morning both.

There is absolutely no obligation for entries to feature Roy Cross artwork.

Please read the Welcome and Rules post which puts things in context. 

 

I'm not sure where this confusion has come from, although maybe it's the Group Build title's strapline?

I've asked Enzo to change this.

 

Cheers

[CliffB]

38 minutes ago, CliffB said:

Would a photo of the original Roy Cross Box-art from scale-mates be acceptable in lieu of not having the original boxes ? 

 

Sorry Dennis, I may have misinterpreted your question when I responded before - so I'll have another go!

Even if your kit did originally feature box art by Roy Cross, there is no obligation for you to post an image of the art (especially if don't have it in your possession).

It's just a nice thing to do, if you want to (and can).

 

Cheers

 

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

42 minutes ago, CliffB said:

 

 

Morning both.

There is absolutely no obligation for entries to feature Roy Cross artwork.

Please read the Welcome and Rules post which puts things in context. 

 

I'm not sure where this confusion has come from, although maybe it's the Group Build title's strapline?

I've asked Enzo to change this.

 

Cheers

No I understood it wasn't a required thing. I was more curious that if I had a kit could I use a stock photo of the artwork instead of posing my kit with the artwork ? 

1 minute ago, CliffB said:

 

Sorry Dennis, I may have misinterpreted your question when I responded before - so I'll have another go!

Even if your kit did originally feature box art by Roy Cross, there is no obligation for you to post an image of the art (especially if don't have it in your possession).

It's just a nice thing to do, if you want to (and can).

 

Cheers

 

Cross responded here

[Black Knight]

2 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

. . . Would a photo of the original Roy Cross Box-art from scale-mates be acceptable in lieu of not having the original boxes ?

You would have to put a link to the photo on Scalemates

[stevej60]

Morning folk's found this photo of a build from a good few years ago seem to recall it was the only one of the four kits I ever built in their engine range.

 

[Ventora3300]

Just over a week to go before the kick-off of the Classic Airfix GB and I seem to be able to keep the Build List up to date and keep pace with the WIP threads being posted. I'm going to go back into the 'promises' made during the Chat to see what may still be to come. Listing the kit numbers may be a bit challenging but Scalemates seems to have the necessary references to kit nos. and Roy Cross artwork although I will still be very grateful to @Ratch for confirmation as and when. Any comments on the Build List from the gang so far? Thanks. Mike.

Edited June 8 by Ventora3300

[KevinK]

13 hours ago, stevej60 said:

Morning folk's found this photo of a build from a good few years ago seem to recall it was the only one of the four kits I ever built in their engine range.

That has to be the worst model representation of the Mauritania ever!

[PLC1966]

Got a SA Bulldog off E-Bay a couple of days ago.  Still in the blister pack.  Got my picture references ready to go, so I am in.

[Enzo the Magnificent]

1 hour ago, PLC1966 said:

SA Bulldog

 

[airfixpeter]

I was at a toy fair and I found this one I don't know if I will get to build it so I might save for the next one

 

[bianfuxia]

looking forward to this GB though I won't get started until after the northern summer. 

 

I fully understand the deal with the Roy Cross - *if* it has his art, feel free to post a pic of it. 

 

My question is, how does one know who painted the art? Is there a list somewhere?

 

thnks!

[IanC]

On 6/5/2024 at 6:14 PM, Pig of the Week said:

... dry brushing silver on a previously daubed green Sherman, which I thought "hey, it looks just like metal" 

 

Tony Greenland of Military Modelling magazine fame used to do that to his panzer models. An expert modeller, his style was quite unique but I remember loving it. 😀

[Pig of the Week]

30 minutes ago, IanC said:

 

Tony Greenland of Military Modelling magazine fame used to do that to his panzer models. An expert modeller, his style was quite unique but I remember loving it. 😀

I used to love MM magazine, I fairly sure I just arrived at the "metallic" weathering thing pretty much by chance or mistake, but may well have unconsciously assimilated it from something in the mag! 

I wish I still had my old copies of MM.