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Hi all

 

Id like to throw another Kittyhawk into the mix. Another 112 squadron machine as I don’t have one and have wanted to build one for a while. 
 

I’ll be using the Hasegawa kit in 1/48. I’ve also got some goodies on the way from the big H. 
 

53143835105_2c845d1b45_k.jpg1F68BCE6-C72F-44F9-B58B-6A71F4533DA3 by James Halls, on Flickr
 

I had planned to use the Model Alliance sheet below. However when I started doing a bit of research I found this wouldn’t work. The a/c in question was based in Italy in 1944. That’s probably ok because Southern Italy is pretty arid but by this timeframe desert camouflaged Kittyhawks had had their mid stone areas painted over with dark green. That won’t work. 
 

53143835100_e01e1675ba_k.jpg0F7B95A5-5FBB-4778-AC9C-BCCCBB1184F6 by James Halls, on Flickr

 

So I’ll change a/c and model the one below instead. FR440 based in Libya in spring 1943. I thought I could use the shark mouth decals from the Model Alliance sheet but this won’t work as the black outline around the shark mouth on the sheet is too thin. I may use it as a template and cut some masks as I’ll use masks for the rounders too. We’ll see. 
 

53143834940_f0867f773c_c.jpg9635797C-6510-448B-BB5D-42508B0F5C01 by James Halls, on Flickr
Credit 112 squadron web page. 
 

The fuselage in the Hasegawa P-40’s is modular so I removed the parts from the spruces to check the fit which should be fine. I also need to work out what colour the cockpit should be painted as I’ve found this a bit of can of worms too. 
 

53143835095_31a77eda1b_k.jpg4ED95823-071A-4471-BB5D-55F17C36D68E by James Halls, on Flickr

 

Ok update to follow soon hopefully. I do have other builds on the go at the moment for other GB’s but will make a start on this asap. 
 

Thanks for looking. 
 

James

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Welcome to the GB James.

Great to have another 112 P-40, I think every collection should have at least one. Also good to have another manufacturers kit being built and the Hasegawa one should be a good one.

I had thought of doing FR474 too and have some pictures of her in one of my books after she tangled with some FW-190's and I am leaning towards her still being in the original DE/MS uppers, I will have another look and try to come up with an answer.

As for cockpit colours as you say this is a bit of a conundrum but I believe they may have been painted in the US interior green. Early Tomahawks built for the RAF were finished in the DuPont equivalent of British grey/green cockpit colour, which is what I will be doing, but I believe later versions were in the US colour.

Very much looking forward to what you can do with this one mate.

 

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@modelling minion  @Wings unlevel @Dansk

 

Thanks chaps looking forward to it. The kit looks a good one. 
 

Craig, which book are those photos in? I’ve done a bit of searching on the internet and couldn’t find a picture of FR474 anywhere which was why I changed aircraft after reading about the change of camo colours in Italy. If it’s likely it was still wearing de/ms I’d change back to modelling it rather than FR440. 
 

As for the cockpit colour. I started a thread in the ww2 aircraft forum on this last week and had some interesting replies ranging from zinc chromate green until mid ‘42, a similar but maybe slightly more yellow green after then to US cockpit green from sometime in 1943. 
 

Thanks

 

James

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21 minutes ago, franky boy said:

@modelling minion  @Wings unlevel @Dansk

 

Thanks chaps looking forward to it. The kit looks a good one. 
 

Craig, which book are those photos in? I’ve done a bit of searching on the internet and couldn’t find a picture of FR474 anywhere which was why I changed aircraft after reading about the change of camo colours in Italy. If it’s likely it was still wearing de/ms I’d change back to modelling it rather than FR440. 
 

As for the cockpit colour. I started a thread in the ww2 aircraft forum on this last week and had some interesting replies ranging from zinc chromate green until mid ‘42, a similar but maybe slightly more yellow green after then to US cockpit green from sometime in 1943. 
 

Thanks

 

James

I was looking at the Kagero book on 112 Sqn from 1942-45. Having gone back and looked at it again I have to say that the camo does look too dark to be DE/MS though there are pictures from 44 showing the sqn aircraft in that scheme.

 

I think a book could (and probably should) be written on Tomahawk/Kittyhawk/Warhawk interior colours! It really is just about impossible to pinpoint the colours used with any certainty and the answers you have received are as plausible as any I have heard elsewhere, though I doubt Zinc Chromate for the entire cockpit from the few colour pics I have seen. I think that US cockpit green is probably your best bet, though even that varied!

 

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1 hour ago, modelling minion said:

I was looking at the Kagero book on 112 Sqn from 1942-45. Having gone back and looked at it again I have to say that the camo does look too dark to be DE/MS though there are pictures from 44 showing the sqn aircraft in that scheme.

 

I think a book could (and probably should) be written on Tomahawk/Kittyhawk/Warhawk interior colours! It really is just about impossible to pinpoint the colours used with any certainty and the answers you have received are as plausible as any I have heard elsewhere, though I doubt Zinc Chromate for the entire cockpit from the few colour pics I have seen. I think that US cockpit green is probably your best bet, though even that varied!

 

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Thanks for the confirmation on the camo colours Craig. FR440 it is.  I had a quick look for the book online but it looks like it’s out of print at the moment. EBay may be the place to go. 
 

Agreed I think I’ll go with US cockpit green. It’s the often seen can of worms. 
 

Cheers

 

James

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Hi everyone 

 

I made a start on the P-40 over the past couple of days so here are the first progress pics. 
 

Side walls first. The interior colours for P-40’s are a little tricky to pin down. I ended up playing safe and going for interior green (AK real colours) and going by photos on line and in reference books added just a tiny drop of Tamiya yellow green.

 

53173507159_c2f5ac512a_k.jpg63FE02DF-60D5-46C1-9B98-413434F69287 by James Halls, on Flickr


I added the oxygen regulator, the round bit at the bottom punched out from some plastic card. I’ll add the pilots hose later on. 
 

53173507169_0c60b62fcb_k.jpgACD6354B-686D-40CB-BDE1-713C9E7D76BE by James Halls, on Flickr


The cockpit floor. Again painted interior green and I used a torn off bit of foam to add some chipping to the floor as I’m pretty sure this would have been happening in desert conditions. 
 

53172713982_9e801aeed4_k.jpg9F854D92-41A1-4D44-80A5-714895805955 by James Halls, on Flickr


Having a rummage through the spares box I found a couple of resin seats by Untracast that I’d forgotten I had which is a bit more in scale in terms of thickness. The frame work on the back didn’t fit the location holes on the kit parts so I sanded it off and used the plastic part from the kit. The seat belts are from Eduard. The chipping was done along with the cockpit floor. 
 

53172713977_a675550772_k.jpgA25E27E1-5371-4BF9-92A3-C704BA3D44A7 by James Halls, on Flickr

 

I also painted the radiator intake. The top and bottom parts come separately so the a slightly tricky seam to sort out here. 

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That’s all for now. Weathering next. 
 

Thanks for looking. 
 

James

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@Dansk @modelling minion @81-er

 

Thanks for the comments chaps. 
 

Moving swiftly on everything has had a wash. My usual wash of a 50/50 water/Kleer mix with a drop of Tamiya nato black and another of red brown. I find this works better for me than oil washes for some reason. Pics below. 
 

53177876853_c7c8bcbc18_k.jpgBAF9C4D8-8A0D-4673-8906-11282C13D3ED by James Halls, on Flickr
 

53176790582_2e4efe12d2_k.jpg9AC1198C-2752-49C4-8F63-A161E5E68648 by James Halls, on Flickr
 

53177816305_43dd6537b9_k.jpg9B490E9C-01C9-4B27-BE00-9E7E671B9F1F by James Halls, on Flickr
 

The wash has toned down the chipping on the cockpit pit for quite nicely. 
 

53176790557_80b9f8c3cf_k.jpg9802F360-5AAC-4626-9010-1366270ADFCA by James Halls, on Flickr

 

I ordered a 3d printed set for the cockpit. I couldn’t find one especially for a P-40m/MkIII so bought one for an E on the off chance that the instrument panel would fit the kit one. And it didn’t so as painting in all of the dials and so on is well beyond my painting skills I decided to use the kit decals. I put them on with Mr Mark Softer and Setter, the strong ones not the Neo, and it settled down fine. It still needs to be weathered in but I’m happy with the result. 
 

53177876803_5f293f2809_k.jpg873FD440-2A9A-4651-9CAB-3222CFEC74CB by James Halls, on Flickr
 

That’s all for now. Hopefully the next update will see the fuselage closed up. 
 

Thanks for looking. 
 

James

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22 hours ago, franky boy said:

 

Moving swiftly on everything has had a wash. My usual wash of a 50/50 water/Kleer mix with a drop of Tamiya nato black and another of red brown. I find this works better for me than oil washes for some reason. Pics below. 

 

Nice wash mix and gonna give that a go. What do you use to clean it up?

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Thanks Paul. Please feel free to follow along. I can’t promise a fast paced build but please do drop in whenever you like. 
 

@Dermo245

 

Thanks Dermo. Put it down in thin coats and don’t let it puddle as once it’s dry there’s no wiping it off. It dries quite quickly and I usually do 2 or 3 coats. Just clean up your brush with water. You don’t have to use the colours that I have, use whatever you think will work. 
 

It’s good for interiors such as cockpits and wheel wells but I don’t think it would work well on the outside of a model. 
 

HTH

 

James

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On 9/14/2023 at 6:35 PM, IanC said:

Nice work on that cockpit. The instrument panel is very impressive.

Thanks Ian. It’s just the kit decal but it’s turned out quite well. Who needs photo etch and 3D printed stuff😀

 

5 minutes ago, stevej60 said:

Off to a cracking start James.

Thanks very much Steve. So far so good. 

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Hi all. Hope everyone’s having a good weekend. 

 

This week I got the cockpit finished off and the fuselage closed up. 
 

A few pics of the cockpit before closing up. I made an oxygen hose from lead wire and draped it over the seat just to add something else and busy it up a bit. I may do a bit more dry brushing later on. 
 

53185508818_7b9997b05f_k.jpgB22D9CAB-A8F0-4E27-A8D2-7306E34D6455 by James Halls, on Flickr
 

53185340400_430b4bccb7_k.jpg413B1944-D046-4871-B186-9A113B91D404 by James Halls, on Flickr

 

53185340385_e1192f7caa_k.jpgE037628A-B5C7-44C7-951D-B9070E2534BF by James Halls, on Flickr
 

And closed up. 
 

53191354724_becda51781_k.jpgA8E487BA-295D-4927-8B52-B8C19B3C1C69 by James Halls, on Flickr

 

That’s all for now. Onto the wings next. 
 

Thanks for looking. 
 

James

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@modelling minion @Retired Bob

 

Thanks Craig and Bob. I’m happy with the fit so far. There is a bit of light sanding to do around the tail joint where I was keen to get the panel lines all lined up which has left has meant it’s the join is ever so slightly out. 
 

Thanks

 

James

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