Gondor44 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 I'm not a big naval vessel buff which is why I started this topic as I need help! I have several Airfix 1/600 ships, four of them being Leander ships. I have a couple of detail sets that I bought from Shapeways for an Ikara conversion ser and a Rothesay conversion st, both by Bogeys Bits. The Ikara conversion set is fairly straightforward as the Shapeways page for the set had some usful pictures as to what went where, however for the Rothesay conversion there are just pictures of the parts and nothing more. I am also intending to get a couple of sets of etch brass by Atlantic Models at the end of the month to help detail both ships. If all goes well the last two Leanders will be a Gun armed Leander and an Exocet/Seacat Leander. The only references I have are Modern Combat Ships 1 "Leander Class" by Cdr C.J.Meyer OBE,RN Published by Ian Allen Leander Class Frigates by Jim Allaway Published by HMSO I have read and looked through both books several time and still have very little idea about the vast majority of what is what and what should be on which class or batch of ship and at what time of their life, let alone knowing what types of radar or anything much of anything else. I am not completely clueless though, I do know what a 4.5" gun turret generally looks like and what a LIMBO is and looks like, but a lot of the rest is beyone me. Maybe a lot of the parts at the edge of the ship is just bollards Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwenS Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 There are photos of most (all?) the ships of the Whitby & Rothesay class frigates here. https://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Frigates type 12 Whitby and Rothesay class/webpages/index40.htm And Leanders here https://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Frigates Leander class/webpages/index15.htm To try to help you understand the development process the lineage is as follows:- Type 12 frigate - 6 Whitby class plus 2 for India Type 12M frigate - 9 Rothesay class plus 2 for New Zealand and 3 for South Africa. The RN ships were modernised from the mid-1960s losing one of the two Limbo mortars and gaining a helicopter hangar and flight deck for a Wasp HAS.1. Type 12I - 26 Leander class for RN plus 2 for New Zealand. Built in 3 groups with the last 10 with a wider beam (the Broad-beamed Leanders). Modified in 1970s with Ikara (8 ships), Exocet (7 ships + 1 conversion cancelled) and Seawolf/Exocet (5 ships) The Wiki pages on each class should help with the timeline of changes to each class. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwenS Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 I should have added a link for this book, if you can track down a copy. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leander-Class-Frigates-History-Development/dp/0905617568 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, EwenS said: I should have added a link for this book, if you can track down a copy. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leander-Class-Frigates-History-Development/dp/0905617568 Now that looks like it will be really useful Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Gondor44 said: Maybe a lot of the parts at the edge of the ship is just bollards Gidday Gondor, I did one of these yonks ago, OOB, and have another in the stash. This era of warship is not my forte but yes, the double studs along the edge of the deck are bollards, and the little rectangles on the edge of the hull represent fairleads I think. Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 9 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday Gondor, I did one of these yonks ago, OOB, and have another in the stash. This era of warship is not my forte but yes, the double studs along the edge of the deck are bollards, and the little rectangles on the edge of the hull represent fairleads I think. Regards, Jeff. That's what I thought, although I was makeing a joke there as well. Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 On 5/18/2023 at 5:59 AM, EwenS said: I should have added a link for this book, if you can track down a copy. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leander-Class-Frigates-History-Development/dp/0905617568 I tried to buy that but got a refund after paying for it and being told it was being dispatched so I had thought great, only to get the rug pulled out from under me as it were. Found and bought a copy from eBay, had to pay £8 more so not happy about that but at least I will have a copy. I have also been looking at Atlantic Models 1/350 Type 12M frigate - Rothesay kit and am tempted, however that would be for later but it does show me the differences between the Leander and the Rothesay so perhaps getting drawings may be a good idea? Saying that I have no idea where to go for the best pland for what I am wanting to do Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I served in two Leanders (ANDROMEDA (Sea Wolf) and PENELOPE (Exocet) and one Rothesay (LONDONDERRY) and am reasonably familiar with all of the design changes so will help if I can. A key point that I would make is that you cannot say "I will build an Exocet Leander" or "I will build a Rothesay". Even when these ships were brand new, they were all subtly different with different close range fits, different sensors, aerials and so on. Leanders in particular were updated with additional close range batteries post June 1982. So pick a specific ship for each class/type, pick a specific period in their history and start modelling from that! I finished a conversion to LONDONDERRY earlier this year that might help you although bear in mind that I was modelling her during her trials ship days so nothing like any of the other Rothesays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 Thanks for the link @Chewbacca. Yesterday evening a fellow modeller from a different site to this sent me some information which has lead to me buying some reference material which should help me with the conversion. I am hopeing that I will be able to find enough photographs of a particular ship to make a representative model as I am aware that each ship was unique as both equipment and requirements changed no only throughout the life of each ship but also the build of ships that were ostensibly in the same batch and supposedly meant to be near identical. Regards Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 One of my new reference books arrived today, hopeing that another three will arrive over the next couple of days. Only had a flick through it so far but it looks as if there is a great deal of useful information that I can use. Gondor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 26, 2023 Author Share Posted May 26, 2023 Yesterday and today I have received three books, Encyclopedia of the Modern Royal Navy, Second and Third Editions and Britain's modern Royal Navy. All three are by Paul Beaver and were recommended to me by a friend, I have also a copy of the First edition of Encyclopedia of the Modern Royal Navy on it's way to me. Also ordered yesterday and ow in the post from Atlantic models are two sets of etch brass for the Leander, sort of looking forward to getting these and sort of not looking forward to them due to the thinness and size of a lot of the parts and looking forward to hopefully manageing to make the ships look better than with just bare plastic. Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 You'll be glad that you ordered the PE. More than any other genre of modelling, I think PE can really enhance model ships and transform them into a replica of the real thing. In the days (decades?) before the advent of PE, I remember trying to put guardrails on the 1/600 Leander using stretched sprue. It wasn't pretty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 My order from Atlantic Models of two sets of Etch for the Airfix Leander ships has arrived! Looking at the size of some parts I'm not sure if I should be glad or worried. Gondor 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 Ordered a pair of parallel pliers to help me with the etch brass. My thinking is that the railings look very flimsy and easily wrinkled so parallel pliers with a flat surface should help cure that if it happens. Gondor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 Ordered a couple of items from Starling Models today, gun turrets and a County class update set, I have one in the stash and the update looks better than what I got from Shapeways. Now got to start thinking about what to put the ships on Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted June 2, 2023 Author Share Posted June 2, 2023 I received some resin detail sets from Starling Models today. A pair of Twing 4.5" N6 Mounts which will be used with my Gun Leander and my Rothesay conversion when I get around to it. To make up a minimum order value I ended up buying their HMS Devonshire detail set. I am so blown away with the level of detail that I decided to take a few pictures. First an overview of the largest block of parts Now some zoomed in shots Sea Slug Launcher No idea but I think it could be a 20mm Oerlikon More bits Humphrey? Ships boats and Davit's general view And close ups I think they might look better with a coat of Grey Primer to bring out the detail which will happen tomorrow so I will post hopefully better pictures then. Gondor 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Gondor44 said: No idea but I think it could be a 20mm Oerlikon Gidday Gondor, it certainly looks like it to me. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 As promised, Prime Time Overview to start with A bit closer..... Closer still..... Above is the Sea Slug launch cradle and Sea Cat launchers on the right side of the picture. Far easier to see that yesterday without the primer. Below you can see the buisness end of the Sea Slug launch cradle and the 4.5" turrets Ships boats and Davit's And finally the Wessex Apart from a very little bit of layer showing on the sides of the Wessex which should easily be hidden by paint, and the fact that the photo is enlarged, remember the parts are in 1/600 scale, I am even more stunned and feeling a little bit intimidated and scared that I will mess the parts up. Gondor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 A couple of days ago I found that I had another couple of Atlantic Models etch sets, a generic RN Watertight Doors & Hatches set and an HMS Devonshire set so the 3D printed detail set in my previous post can find a home on the HMS Devonshire I have in my stash. One of the problems I have with building these ships and partly what has been holding me back, is in what order to do things? Do I fit just the superstructure and other large parts and then paint them and smaller parts which are then added with such things as the railings added last, which is how I am thinking of building the ships, or do I use a different method. And yes I am a novice ship builder, I do have some skills from my aircraft building in 1/72 and a few bits of armour in 1/35 but this is my first real go at doing something Naval so there will be lots of questions and probably a lot of pictures to show how far I have go. More detail shots of the current builds will be posted tomorrow as it's getting late tonight. Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 That's an awfully small scale for details like this. Good luck to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Gondor44 said: One of the problems I have with building these ships and partly what has been holding me back, is in what order to do things? Do I fit just the superstructure and other large parts and then paint them and smaller parts which are then added with such things as the railings added last, which is how I am thinking of building the ships, or do I use a different method. And yes I am a novice ship builder, I do have some skills from my aircraft building in 1/72 and a few bits of armour in 1/35 but this is my first real go at doing something Naval so there will be lots of questions and probably a lot of pictures to show how far I have go. More detail shots of the current builds will be posted tomorrow as it's getting late tonight. Gondor That is a very good question, and I suspect that if you put 3 maritime modellers in a room you'd get 4 answers. Truth is, there is no "best way", just a best way for you. Some on here build everything including PE guardrails then paint after taking out shares in masking tape. Others paint everything piece by piece and assemble. I subscribe mostly to the latter camp because I am rubbish at masking. I prime and top coat the hull, then mask off above the boot topping and paint that (I always do my ships waterlined so usually no need to paint the antifouling depending upon the sea state. If antifouling is needed, I do that after the ship's side but before the boot topping. Then depending upon the model, I may mask the whole ship's side and spray the deck, but if the superstructure is moulded with the deck I will often hand paint. I will then hand paint any moulded on fittings. At the same time as priming and top coating the ship's side, I will prime and top coat all of the other major fittings that need "ship side grey" (depending upon which variant of that it requires) - superstructure blocks, funnel(s), mast(s) and the PE fret. Because everything now has paint on it, I tend to use CA glue to assemble rather than liquid poly because that simply dissolves the paint, Yes, you do get glossy spots of CA everywhere, but a couple of coats of matt coat right at the end blends then all in. Hope that helps. Standing by for someone to come along and make the case for painting everything at the end all by airbrush 😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Bertie McBoatface said: That's an awfully small scale for details like this. Good luck to you! I know I have a magnifying headset and can always add a pair of magnifying glasses and a magnafying lamp if needed as well. Unfortunatly the budget would not run to a scanning electron microscope so I will have to do with what I have Gondor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Chewbacca said: That is a very good question, and I suspect that if you put 3 maritime modellers in a room you'd get 4 answers. Truth is, there is no "best way", just a best way for you. Some on here build everything including PE guardrails then paint after taking out shares in masking tape. Others paint everything piece by piece and assemble. I subscribe mostly to the latter camp because I am rubbish at masking. Sounds good to me as masking is not my strong suit. Don't normally have to mask anyway as I brush paint. 2 hours ago, Chewbacca said: I prime and top coat the hull, then mask off above the boot topping and paint that (I always do my ships waterlined so usually no need to paint the antifouling depending upon the sea state. If antifouling is needed, I do that after the ship's side but before the boot topping. OK, so what is a "boot topping"? Part of the problems I am haveing is terminology and descriptions. Getting there with the radar and a few other parts that are up top but still a way to go at times. 2 hours ago, Chewbacca said: Then depending upon the model, I may mask the whole ship's side and spray the deck, but if the superstructure is moulded with the deck I will often hand paint. I will then hand paint any moulded on fittings. At the same time as priming and top coating the ship's side, I will prime and top coat all of the other major fittings that need "ship side grey" (depending upon which variant of that it requires) - superstructure blocks, funnel(s), mast(s) and the PE fret. Because everything now has paint on it, I tend to use CA glue to assemble rather than liquid poly because that simply dissolves the paint, Yes, you do get glossy spots of CA everywhere, but a couple of coats of matt coat right at the end blends then all in. Hope that helps. Standing by for someone to come along and make the case for painting everything at the end all by airbrush 😄 So the suggestion is to do the hull and main deck, build the superstructure as a sub assembly, then add everything together at the end. OK, I can go with that other than the Ikara build has most of the superstructure added to the hull, the gun armed Leander so far is just the hull and deck glued together and the Rothesay is still in parts waiting on me to work out where to cut the hull for the lower rear deck. Thanks Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Gondor44 said: what is a "boot topping"? It's the thick black line at the waterline, between the visible upper hull and the antifouling paint below the waterline. Not all ships have it. Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Gondor44 said: boot topping It's the line on the hull where the damaging effects of wave action are concentrated. The boot topping is specifically tough paint designed to resist wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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