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The closest Humbrol colour to FS 36492 is No.40 Gloss Pale Grey, but this is not a particularly close match. The Humbrol colour is darker.

 

I have no idea about the Gunze equivalent.

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What on earth was this doing in Military Aircraft > Cold War?  Can we be a little more sensible when it comes to topic placement going forward please?

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6 minutes ago, Paul Lucas said:

The closest Humbrol colour to FS 36492 is No.40 Gloss Pale Grey, but this is not a particularly close match. The Humbrol colour is darker.

 

I have no idea about the Gunze equivalent.

Actually it’s either 147 or 196, haven’t tried 196 so can’t say which is 492 and 495 

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1 hour ago, Mike said:

What on earth was this doing in Military Aircraft > Cold War?  Can we be a little more sensible when it comes to topic placement going forward please?

I am sorry but I need the colour for a Sri Lanka airforce Mig-23UB and thought that cold war is the correct place to ask.

Please accept all my excuses.

 

Saluti

 

Giampiero

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11 minutes ago, GiampieroSilvestri said:

Please accept all my excuses.

We do.  Just remember there's a specific paint section next time ;)

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Lovely kit.  Little Mikey-Mike (@bootneck) stood in a queue for me at Telford to secure mine one year for about an hour, as I was late to the party and would have missed out.  Bless his little cotton chops :D I'm still scared to build it! :blush:

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It's those little things we do for fellow modellers,  even for you big Mike! :wicked:

 

Five years, and you still haven't built it? :dull: Shame on you. :nono:

 

Mike

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2 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said:

Actually it’s either 147 or 196, haven’t tried 196 so can’t say which is 492 and 495 

According to Humbrol, No.147 is FS 36495 and No.196 is RAL 7035.

 

To my eye, both of these colours are lighter and more 'cool' in hue than FS 36492.

 

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Every colour matching site I looked at has a mix for this FS number using Humbrol colours. None had a match for any gunze paints.

Even the app I use (Hobby Colour Converter on Android) does not suggest a direct or near match.

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I can give an answer based on spectrophotometer paint/target measurements (not whatever label they slap on them - or RGB info they have on websites that is almost always wrong, is device dependent and should never be used for paint matching anyway).

 

Here is the report:


Target: AMS-595A - FS36495 | GU 1.9, RGB: #C1C6C4 (L*=79.47, a=-1.84, b=0.33)
    Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 182 samples)
        DE00: 1.52 - #C1C5C1 - AA1599 | No 147 | Light Grey - Matt | GU 6.1 (L*=79.14, a=-1.94, b=1.94)
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Revell (compared with 86 samples)
        DE00: 1.91 - #C8CAC7 - 36371 | Light grey | RAL 7035 | GU 17.8 (L*=81.06, a=-0.83, b=1.05)
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 255 samples)
        DE00: 1.89 - #BABFBD - 71.414 | AEH-9 Light Grey | AEH-9 Gris Claro | GU 2.7 (L*=76.79, a=-1.85, b=0.38)
       100x100100x100


Target: FS 595A - FS36495 | GU 1.9, RGB: #C7CBCA (L*=81.51, a=-1.49, b=0.26)
    Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 182 samples)
        DE00: 2.33 - #C1C5C1 - AA1599 | No 147 | Light Grey - Matt | GU 6.1 (L*=79.14, a=-1.94, b=1.94)
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Revell (compared with 86 samples)
        DE00: 1.24 - #C8CAC7 - 36371 | Light grey | RAL 7035 | GU 17.8 (L*=81.06, a=-0.83, b=1.05)
       100x100100x100


Target: FS 595B - FS36495 | GU 1.9, RGB: #C2C7C5 (L*=79.71, a=-1.80, b=0.33)
    Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 182 samples)
        DE00: 1.56 - #C1C5C1 - AA1599 | No 147 | Light Grey - Matt | GU 6.1 (L*=79.14, a=-1.94, b=1.94)
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Revell (compared with 86 samples)
        DE00: 1.79 - #C8CAC7 - 36371 | Light grey | RAL 7035 | GU 17.8 (L*=81.06, a=-0.83, b=1.05)
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 255 samples)
        DE00: 2.06 - #BABFBD - 71.414 | AEH-9 Light Grey | AEH-9 Gris Claro | GU 2.7 (L*=76.79, a=-1.85, b=0.38)
       100x100100x100

 

 

Those are three versions of FS3649 - One from FS595A, one from FS595B and one from AMS595A. They differ a bit, so there are differences yiou can expect.

 

With 1.2 DE in Revel 36371 and 1.5 or Humbrol in Humbrol 147 I don't see a point mixing your own colors if you like to use those paints.

 

@GiampieroSilvestri   You did not specify which time period FS36495 you are trying to get, but the differences are minor across years for this color anyway :) I'd go with Humbrol 147 it is a pretty close match.

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@Casey, he was trying to match FS 36492, not FS 36495.

 

The real question that needs answering here is what is the actual colour applied to Sri Lancan Mig-23UBs? Without knowing what the real colour is, there is little chance of finding a good match in any sort of modelling paint.

 

Bearing all the usual caveats in mind, looking at colour photos on the web the overall grey scheme appears to be much lighter than FS 36492, so Humbrol No.147 might look the part on a model.

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I found FS36492 on the painting instructions of the Aztec decals sheet for Kfir that includes markings for a Sri Lanka airforce aircraft.Model master 2038 is the only reference I found for it but I only use Humbrol,Revell and Gunze enamel colours.FS36495 would not be bad as I have the colour from Humbrol and Revell.

 

Saluti

 

Giampiero

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1 hour ago, GiampieroSilvestri said:

I found FS36492 on the painting instructions of the Aztec decals sheet for Kfir that includes markings for a Sri Lanka airforce aircraft.Model master 2038 is the only reference I found for it but I only use Humbrol,Revell and Gunze enamel colours.FS36495 would not be bad as I have the colour from Humbrol and Revell.

 

Saluti

 

Giampiero

 

I've misread it and got 36495 in my brain (maybe because it is common color...)

 

36492 is much harder to go by, it is a bit more neutral grey.

 

Target: AMS 595a - FS36492 | GU 1.9
    Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 182 samples)
        DE00: 2.82 - AA6344 | No 196 | Light Grey - Satin | GU 29.9
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 255 samples)
        DE00: 2.76 - 71.276 | USAF Light Gray | Gris Claro | FS36495 | GU 6.2
       100x100100x100

 

Target: FS 595b - FS36492 | GU 1.6
    Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 255 samples)
        DE00: 2.48 - 71.296 | USAAF Light Gray | Curtiss Grey | FS36622 | GU 5.1
       100x100100x100

 

Target: FS595a - FS36492 | GU 1.9
    No matches with DE00<=3.00

 

Nothing on Revell range. No 196 is the closest Humbrol there. Vallejo could be good with 71.296 but you do not use those.

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@PhantomBigStu, Humbrol No.64 used to be considered to be a match for 'Sea Grey Medium' (Medium Sea Grey) and was given as the standard range equivalent of HB.6 'Sea Grey Medium' in the Authentics range when the Authentics were dropped back in the 1980's.

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4 hours ago, Paul Lucas said:

@PhantomBigStu, Humbrol No.64 used to be considered to be a match for 'Sea Grey Medium' (Medium Sea Grey) and was given as the standard range equivalent of HB.6 'Sea Grey Medium' in the Authentics range when the Authentics were dropped back in the 1980's.

Well least in acrylics its no longer medium sea grey as that's 165 and it lacks the blue tone of that, naff pic but here's it next to 165 41-EFD0-AE-E826-4-E83-87-B0-623-DE6-A67-

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7 hours ago, Phantome said:

Off the top of my head that looks a bit like Tamiya XF-20, perhaps a bit lighter... maybe @Caseyan confirm?

 

XF-19.

 

Reverse paint match:

Target: DB0064 | No 64 | Light Grey - Matt | GU 5.9
    Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 255 samples)
        DE00: 2.85 - 71.339 | Russian AF Grey N.3 | Gris N.3 AF Ruso | FS36373 | GU 2.3
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: Tamiya (compared with 40 samples)
        DE00: 1.44 - XF-19 | Sky Grey | GU 7.1
       100x100100x100

 

 

Reverse target matches:

Target: DB0064 | No 64 | Light Grey - Matt | GU 5.9
    Matches in: Federal Standard 595 Mar 1 1956 (compared with 358 samples)
        DE00: 0.54 - 26293
       100x100100x100
    Matches in: RAL K7 Classic Gloss (compared with 215 samples)
        DE00: 1.13 - RAL 7042 - Verkehrsgrau A - Traffic grey A
       100x100100x100

 

 

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That's interesting thanks Casey, close enough for me for FS36293, which is interesting as I have MigAmmo's take on that shade and its quite different to 64....darker and with a notable purple hint D9-ED05-F8-38-A2-410-E-9199-7499-A347-D9

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On 5/16/2023 at 7:18 PM, PhantomBigStu said:

That's interesting thanks Casey, close enough for me for FS36293, which is interesting as I have MigAmmo's take on that shade and its quite different to 64....darker and with a notable purple hint 

 

Dunno if this is worth anything but I've just compared the RGB chip for migs not FS36293 with the one for 36280 and they are pretty close, I have an italian eurofighter planned for the southern europe GB which uses 280 so will see then how it looks 

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On 15/05/2023 at 21:32, PhantomBigStu said:

I stand corrected on humbrol 147 and 196. Actually though wouldn’t mind finding out what 64 is meant to be, humbrol have it as non existent fs36496 

Over time Humbrol declared it to be "compatible" with "HB.6 Royal Air Force (European) Sea Grey Medium = HU.6 U.S.A.F. Light Grey = MC.4 British Napoleonics British Grey" or to be a replacement for these.

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